I understand what you are saying. I take some issue with your ownership of "our" ways. It seems as if there are several different ideas represented on this list-serve such that "our" ways doesn't quite apply. Mike says that meditation should be performed using a prescribed posture and hand position, while you state that standing is acceptable and that another hand position is allowable and someone else meditates while gardening.
Esoteric - understood by or meant for only the select few who have special knowledge or interest; recondite: Recondite - dealing with very profound, difficult, or abstruse subject matter As I said I have have no desire to learn all of the profound, difficult, or abstruse subject matter or to accept concepts that are understood by only the select few who have special knowledge or interest. To understand why it is important to hold my hands in a specific posture is an irritation. It is my belief that our Buddha nature is our natural state, our Default Setting. To trade all of the noise and urgings of society for another set of noise and urgings does not appeal to me. It should simply be this. All of the additional agglomeration that has been accreted over 2500 years is noise and distracting. ________________________________ From: Joe <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, April 6, 2013 7:10:09 PM Subject: [Zen] Re: standing zen meditation William, If you look for it, you may find in formal settings that there are formalities. If we do not dismiss them -- and dismiss ourselves from the premises simultaneously, thereby -- we may find ways to settle down and settle in. Only then will "This" come home to us. That is my observation. Our ways are not esoteric. Do you know what "esoteric" MEANS? Technology is not esoteric, necessarily. ;-) Do I gather that you have not practiced, yet? Then, it's not helpful to make determinations such as you pretend to be making. I say this in order to be helpful, because many practice centers and teachers can be of definite help, with their formal ways. Use them, and go beyond them. Drop the fork when you're done with dinner. That is our way. But don't reject them and go nowhere. Although there's nowhere to go. Nowhere is nowhere, you know. And there's no way of getting around that. Unless you pick up some tools. --Joe > Email <brintala@...> wrote: > > Mike > If your attention is focused on Right Mudra, Right Posture, Right Eye Lid > does >this constitute Right Practice. All of those details seem like unnecessary >distractions. Rather more like an organization's secret handshake and password >or a Tradesman's Right of passage from Apprentice through Journeyman to >Master. >Personally I have no desire to learn such esoteric minutiae. I am looking for >what Bill! has called "just this"
