William, Well said!
Edgar On Apr 7, 2013, at 1:45 AM, William Rintala wrote: > I understand what you are saying. I take some issue with your ownership of > "our" ways. It seems as if there are several different ideas represented on > this list-serve such that "our" ways doesn't quite apply. Mike says that > meditation should be performed using a prescribed posture and hand position, > while you state that standing is acceptable and that another hand position is > allowable and someone else meditates while gardening. > > > Esoteric - understood by or meant for only the select few who have special > knowledge or interest; recondite: > > Recondite - dealing with very profound, difficult, or abstruse subject matter > > As I said I have have no desire to learn all of the profound, difficult, or > abstruse subject matter or to accept concepts that are understood by only the > select few who have special knowledge or interest. To understand why it is > important to hold my hands in a specific posture is an irritation. It is my > belief that our Buddha nature is our natural state, our Default Setting. To > trade all of the noise and urgings of society for another set of noise and > urgings does not appeal to me. It should simply be this. All of the > additional > agglomeration that has been accreted over 2500 years is noise and > distracting. > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Joe <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sat, April 6, 2013 7:10:09 PM > Subject: [Zen] Re: standing zen meditation > > William, > > If you look for it, you may find in formal settings that there are > formalities. > > If we do not dismiss them -- and dismiss ourselves from the premises > simultaneously, thereby -- we may find ways to settle down and settle in. > Only > then will "This" come home to us. That is my observation. > > Our ways are not esoteric. Do you know what "esoteric" MEANS? > > Technology is not esoteric, necessarily. ;-) > > Do I gather that you have not practiced, yet? > > Then, it's not helpful to make determinations such as you pretend to be > making. > > I say this in order to be helpful, because many practice centers and teachers > can be of definite help, with their formal ways. Use them, and go beyond them. > > Drop the fork when you're done with dinner. > > That is our way. But don't reject them and go nowhere. Although there's > nowhere > to go. Nowhere is nowhere, you know. > > And there's no way of getting around that. Unless you pick up some tools. > > --Joe > >> Email <brintala@...> wrote: >> >> Mike >> If your attention is focused on Right Mudra, Right Posture, Right Eye Lid >> does >> this constitute Right Practice. All of those details seem like unnecessary >> distractions. Rather more like an organization's secret handshake and >> password >> or a Tradesman's Right of passage from Apprentice through Journeyman to >> Master. >> Personally I have no desire to learn such esoteric minutiae. I am looking >> for >> what Bill! has called "just this" > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
