Merle, There is no 'point' to zazen. Zazen is realization. Zazen is Buddha. What's the point to Buddha.
Of course you seem determined not to listen to Mike, Chris, Joe or me on this subject because I suspect you don't like the idea of conforming to something you think is as restrictive as sitting down and keeping still (zazen), so I'll give you a few quotes from someone you might listen to (and no it's not Edgar)... "Each moment of zazen is equally wholeness of practice, equally wholeness of realization. This is not only practice while sitting, it is like a hammer striking emptiness: before and after, its exquisite peal permeates everywhere. How can it be limited to this moment?" ― Dogen "The zazen I speak of is not learning meditation. It is simply the Dharma gate of repose and bliss, the practice-realization of totally culminated enlightenment. It is the manifestation of ultimate reality. Traps and snares can never reach it. Once its heart is grasped, you are like the dragon when he gains the water, like the tiger when she enters the mountain. For you must know that just there (in zazen) the right Dharma is manifesting itself and that, from the first, dullness and distraction are struck aside." ― Dogen Th point of zazen in the context of zen or Zen Buddhism, if it can be said to have a point, is EVERYTHING! ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > > Â group..it is not a competition..at the end of the day it's about how we > conduct ourselves day to day 24/ 7 in the real world that truly matters..you > can meditate till your blue in the face however if you do not put this into > real time everyday practise in life then what's the point?..merle > > > Â > Edgar, > > Quoting: > "But the take away lesson is Buddha is Buddha no matter what position your > hands are in or whether your spine is straight or not" > > And the compassionate take away lesson is that if you do not realize Buddha > Nature -- and have no way to realize it -- then there is no such thing for > you, and/or there might as well not be. > > Technology is "means", and practice is our use of means, and becoming skilful > with them. > > --Joe > > > Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > Bill, > > > > As I've said hand and body position can be useful for beginners to settle > > into sitting but has nothing to do with Zen itself. > > > > Actually it often gives people one MORE thing to think about. > > > > Notice how MUCH Mike thinks about it.. When some beginners can't maintain > > Zen mind they may become frustrated and take comfort in saying 'well at > > least my hand position is better than yours'! > > > > But the take away lesson is Buddha is Buddha no matter what position your > > hands are in or whether your spine is straight or not..... > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
