Bill, My answer is in the post you are responding to...
Edgar On Apr 7, 2013, at 9:20 PM, Bill! wrote: > Edgar, > > Although a standard standard hand position is not mandatory in zen, it is > strongly encouraged in Zen Buddhism. > > If, as you say, you believe (as I do) that hand position does not really > matter then you shouldn't have any objections to the recommendation of the > standard Zen Buddhist hand position (Japanese and Korean) as described by Joe > in an earlier post. > > After all the hand position doesn't matter, does it? > > ..Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > > > Bill, > > > > As I've said hand and body position can be useful for beginners to settle > > into sitting but has nothing to do with Zen itself. > > > > Actually it often gives people one MORE thing to think about. > > > > Notice how MUCH Mike thinks about it.. When some beginners can't maintain > > Zen mind they may become frustrated and take comfort in saying 'well at > > least my hand position is better than yours'! > > > > But the take away lesson is Buddha is Buddha no matter what position your > > hands are in or whether your spine is straight or not..... > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > On Apr 7, 2013, at 4:42 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > Mike, > > > > > > I agree with you that the initial glimpse of Buddha Nature ('kensho' in > > > Japanese) is just the beginning of practice. > > > > > > My remarks in this thread have mainly been about the positioning of your > > > hands during meditation - sitting, standing, walking, etc... My point is > > > I do think Zen Buddhist teachings in this area have merit if for no other > > > reason than that just gives you one less thing to have to think about. > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > --- In [email protected], uerusuboyo@ wrote: > > > > > > > > <br/>Bill!,<br/><br/>I'm sure you'd agree that you're just as likely to > > > > awaken to Buddha Nature while sitting on the toilet as you are while > > > > sitting on the cushion. But that's not the point. A glimpse of Buddha > > > > Nature is just an initiation or invitation to continue living the > > > > Dharma. Without deepening it it just becomes one of many experiences > > > > (albeit a 'special' experience). Enlightenment (for want of a better > > > > word) is a moment to moment experience and without continuing practice > > > > to deepen it it's easy to backslide into unskillful living again. > > > > <br/><br/>I think Edgar and William believe that after an initial > > > > glimpse of Buddha Nature that is it - that once experienced there's > > > > nothing more to do. For Edgar to believe that he experiences Buddha > > > > Nature 24/7 just goes to show how delusional the ego can be. > > > > <br/><br/>Mike<br/><br/>Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
