Edgar, I might think otherwise for any number of reasons, but in this case I don't.
...Bill! --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > Bill, > > I couldn't care less how anyone holds their hands, and it has nothing to do > with Zen. I don't object to any hand position, I object to those who think > some particular hand position is necessary for Zen and the ridiculous claim > that if your hands aren't in some particular position you aren't 'practicing' > Zen... > > Why would you think otherwise? > > Edgar > > > On Apr 7, 2013, at 9:20 PM, Bill! wrote: > > > Edgar, > > > > Although a standard standard hand position is not mandatory in zen, it is > > strongly encouraged in Zen Buddhism. > > > > If, as you say, you believe (as I do) that hand position does not really > > matter then you shouldn't have any objections to the recommendation of the > > standard Zen Buddhist hand position (Japanese and Korean) as described by > > Joe in an earlier post. > > > > After all the hand position doesn't matter, does it? > > > > ..Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > As I've said hand and body position can be useful for beginners to settle > > > into sitting but has nothing to do with Zen itself. > > > > > > Actually it often gives people one MORE thing to think about. > > > > > > Notice how MUCH Mike thinks about it.. When some beginners can't maintain > > > Zen mind they may become frustrated and take comfort in saying 'well at > > > least my hand position is better than yours'! > > > > > > But the take away lesson is Buddha is Buddha no matter what position your > > > hands are in or whether your spine is straight or not..... > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 7, 2013, at 4:42 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > > > Mike, > > > > > > > > I agree with you that the initial glimpse of Buddha Nature ('kensho' in > > > > Japanese) is just the beginning of practice. > > > > > > > > My remarks in this thread have mainly been about the positioning of > > > > your hands during meditation - sitting, standing, walking, etc... My > > > > point is I do think Zen Buddhist teachings in this area have merit if > > > > for no other reason than that just gives you one less thing to have to > > > > think about. > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], uerusuboyo@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > <br/>Bill!,<br/><br/>I'm sure you'd agree that you're just as likely > > > > > to awaken to Buddha Nature while sitting on the toilet as you are > > > > > while sitting on the cushion. But that's not the point. A glimpse of > > > > > Buddha Nature is just an initiation or invitation to continue living > > > > > the Dharma. Without deepening it it just becomes one of many > > > > > experiences (albeit a 'special' experience). Enlightenment (for want > > > > > of a better word) is a moment to moment experience and without > > > > > continuing practice to deepen it it's easy to backslide into > > > > > unskillful living again. <br/><br/>I think Edgar and William believe > > > > > that after an initial glimpse of Buddha Nature that is it - that once > > > > > experienced there's nothing more to do. For Edgar to believe that he > > > > > experiences Buddha Nature 24/7 just goes to show how delusional the > > > > > ego can be. <br/><br/>Mike<br/><br/>Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
