Merle,

Zen Buddhist teaching and ways are always changing.

"It" changes while it stays in a place, and when it takes root in a new place.  
And then it changes some more.  It is changing NOW, in the West.  It has always 
done so.

But it is always based on awakening, sudden awakening.  And what comes after.  
Our daily life.

"Zen" -- the state and experience of Zen -- itself appears to be familiar to 
all who have ever practiced.  We can read accounts of awakenings by masters 
from 2000 years ago -- and even the story of Mahakasyapa's awakening by the 
Buddha 2500 years ago -- and feel intimate with them, and immediately identify 
their experience as our own, and vice versa.

But HUMAN Evolution -- bodily evolution -- is very, *VERY* SLOW by comparison 
with the length of a single human lifetikme, because it depends on and is 
enabled by Selection.  

Selection is THE SPEED LIMIT of evolution.  It takes probably hundreds of 
(human) generations to select for something, to be expressed among or 
detectable in LARGE NUMBERS of the population.  

"Hundreds of generations" means at least 3000 years.  More like 5000 or 10000 
years, I'd wager.  Now, 10000 years is just a short time, on the scale of Human 
species history.

We're not evolving to anything fast!

(Genetic-engineering will have a go at that Speed Limit, though.  Rest assured. 
 And, watch out!).

--Joe

> Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote:
> 
> bill!!! how stupid of me.... good mind reading...yes was buddha a zen 
> buddhist?... yes i get your drift..one forgets..of course jesus was not a 
> christian he was a jew and same with buddha...the question remains 
> then...what did both buddha and jesus find so lacking in hindu and jewish 
> religions that they need to evolve?...
> are we  evolving too?...
>
> can zen buddhism evolve now from what it is to something it has not been?




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