Mike, Edgar, Bill!, Merle, William, et al.,

It all comes down to an "I".

Pick or scratch, and the question is: "Is there an 'I' at that moment?"

If so, it is not the state of Zen.  It's be-nighted delusion and pestiferous 
vexation.

If there is no "I", then the action is carried out in the state of Zen.

It's probable that most people who have awakened become covered again in onion 
skin layers of falsity and "I" delusion.  This is why an awakened person must 
continue to practice, forever.  The Four Poisons rise endlessly.

There are technologies for awakening and for remaining awake.  They've been 
passed down to us by people who know their value from lifetimes of use.  Yes, 
some of these involve the hands, the spine, the breathing, and a relaxation.

As fully embodied beings, you've got to expect that our Way involves our entire 
Human inheritance: hands, spine, forehead, relaxation, etc.

Our Way also OPENS us to the entirety of it.  If only we don't let an "I" 
dictate otherwise.

Let's agree that when it comes to the state of Zen or not the state of Zen, it 
all comes down to an "I".

Some egoists will desperately object, and say: "the 'I' is PART of the state of 
Zen!"  No: The state of Zen has no parts.  It is seamless intimacy, and is 
empty.  There is not a thing.

Nor a who.

--Joe

> uerusuboyo@... wrote:
>
> Edgar,<br/><br/>Geez, I can't make it any simpler. If your nose is itching 
> and really needs scratching, then giving it a good pick with awareness could 
> very well be Zen. There will be mindfulness of what the fingers are doing. If 
> you're not being mindful, and you find yourself picking your nose while 
> waiting for the lights to change, then you're not being mindful, you have no 
> awareness what your hands/fingers are doing and this is *not* Zen in action. 
> One action is aware what the hands are doing (Zen) and one action is not 
> aware what the hands are doing (not Zen). Your comment that "it makes no 
> difference what the hands are doing" is 
> wrong.<br/><br/>Mike<br/><br/><br/>Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone
>




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