Edgar,
Not to quibble with your understanding... . But the "I" DOES vanish. We
experience this. How do we experience it?; what is that experience like?:
There is not one thing. There is no "I", either. At that time. And those
times.
Granted, this state and way of being and acting may not last permanently. For
many, it lasts weeks, or months, if their opening had a good preparation and
foundation: the body supports this, or else delusion comes back quicker.
Practice can be continued, and the Buddha Nature can be the only experience.
In fact, it's safer to continue to practice, rather than to suppose we will be
OK to enable a false mind to run the show; a virus or malware to take over the
whole CPU, thinking that it's the hardware itself! What a mistake. Error.
Thus, we continue practice.
I know you do, too.
--Joe
> Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote:
>
> Joe,
>
> This is indeed correct in Zen MEDITATION where forms vanish into the formless.
>
> However at the level of Active Zen in the world of forms it is both correct
> and incorrect depending on our understanding.
>
> In dealing with the world of forms it is clear that the forms do exist
> including the form we label 'I'.
>
> However it is true that the 'I' form is now realized as an illusion, but an
> illusion that manifests Buddha Nature as do all forms, and as a form that is
> interconnected with all forms in the causal web.
>
> This is the meaning of 'The mountains are mountains again'.
>
> This means that the forms we call mountains still exist but instead of being
> the mountains we originally thought they were they are now seen as the
> illusory forms we call mountains.
>
> In other words mountains don't vanish, they are just seen as their true
> natures.
>
> Same with the 'I'. The I doesn't vanish, it is just now realized for the
> illusory form it is...
>
> Edgar
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