Joe, Not sure what part of my post your comments are referring to.
Note I mentioned 2 separate states. Your comments refer only to the first... Edgar On Apr 8, 2013, at 2:44 PM, Joe wrote: > Edgar, > > Not to quibble with your understanding... . But the "I" DOES vanish. We > experience this. How do we experience it?; what is that experience like?: > There is not one thing. There is no "I", either. At that time. And those > times. > > Granted, this state and way of being and acting may not last permanently. For > many, it lasts weeks, or months, if their opening had a good preparation and > foundation: the body supports this, or else delusion comes back quicker. > > Practice can be continued, and the Buddha Nature can be the only experience. > In fact, it's safer to continue to practice, rather than to suppose we will > be OK to enable a false mind to run the show; a virus or malware to take over > the whole CPU, thinking that it's the hardware itself! What a mistake. Error. > > Thus, we continue practice. > > I know you do, too. > > --Joe > > > Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > > > Joe, > > > > This is indeed correct in Zen MEDITATION where forms vanish into the > > formless. > > > > However at the level of Active Zen in the world of forms it is both correct > > and incorrect depending on our understanding. > > > > In dealing with the world of forms it is clear that the forms do exist > > including the form we label 'I'. > > > > However it is true that the 'I' form is now realized as an illusion, but an > > illusion that manifests Buddha Nature as do all forms, and as a form that > > is interconnected with all forms in the causal web. > > > > This is the meaning of 'The mountains are mountains again'. > > > > This means that the forms we call mountains still exist but instead of > > being the mountains we originally thought they were they are now seen as > > the illusory forms we call mountains. > > > > In other words mountains don't vanish, they are just seen as their true > > natures. > > > > Same with the 'I'. The I doesn't vanish, it is just now realized for the > > illusory form it is... > > > > Edgar > >
