Mike,

quoting:
"A teacher is only a guide and friend."

You've jogged (loose...) a memory in me.

Thinking about teachers.  Well, thinking about a guru, actually.  

It's a statement that was made by a Lama, a Tibetan, and sometimes they call a 
teacher a "guru", even though they are of a stripe of Buddhism called 
"Lama-ism", or Lamaism, or simply "Tibetan Buddhism", and are not Hindu yogis.  
They are Tibetan Buddhist yogis.

This was the Tibetan Lama, Lama Chogyam Trungpa.  He became popular in the West 
(1960s-70s), and was able to publish some books, to very great acclaim.  
Trungpa was a bit of a wildman, and, although perhaps many Lamas are considered 
a bit wild -- although still effective teachers -- Trungpa was perhaps a 
stand-out example of a pretty wild character, and liked to live large, and live 
rich.

Yet, I think his training and his practice, and his teaching, were extremely 
rigorous.

So, he was able to call the "guru", ...to define the guru, ...such:

"The guru is a dangerous friend".

This line may even appear in his most popular book, I don't know: CUTTING 
THROUGH SPIRITUAL MATERIALISM.  It may even be a chapter-title.

I mention it, because the teacher-student relationship in Zen practice does not 
seem to me usually to be as Trungpa describes.  But, on the other hand, I think 
we can all think of ways in which a teacher could be "dangerous" to "us", in 
the best ways.  Or, shall I say, to the "ego"; the ego could well be 
threatened, and threatened with death, if not extinction, by our association 
with a good teacher, and with our effective practice.  And of course it is.

So, I lift my glass of carrot juice to my dangerous friends!  Hail!

--Joe

> uerusuboyo@... wrote:
>
> Merle,<br/><br/>Depends what you mean by "you". If 'you' means your ego, then 
> absolutely not because the mind will colour things to suit itself. If by 
> 'you' you mean reality, then absolutely yes! And by reality I mean the 
> immediacy of direct experience. Buddha said, "Be a lamp unto yourself". Only 
> you will know if the tea is hot or cold (remember that topic!). A teacher is 
> only a guide and friend. Ultimately only you can workout your own salvation.



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