No, they still take place as they do, some conscious and some not, but with no effort nor intention.
Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Apr 21, 2013 3:36 PM, "Edgar Owen" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Chris, > > That is true only with respect to the conscious mind. The only difference > is that all the rational computations are now taking place in the > UNconscious mind, but they are STILL taking place... > > Edgar > > > On Apr 21, 2013, at 3:13 PM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: > > > > The opposite of monkey mind is not doing one thing but effortless activity > - no one doing no thing. In cutting carrots each muscle, nerve, knife and > plant goes on just as it is, no need to do anything. > > The 10,000 things take care of them selves with no effort and no boundary. > > Thanks, > --Chris > 301-270-6524 > On Apr 21, 2013 8:29 AM, "Merle Lester" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> bill...many thanks..yes single minded would you not say?..devoted to the >> task at hand...question: why is multi tasking and multi thinking regarded >> as "the enemy"? >> >> >> Merle, >> >> This is a very common occurrence. Zen literature refers to this as the >> 'monkey mind' because it seems to just go on and on without end and >> out-of-control. >> >> Zazen (and other zen teaching techniques) specifically target 'monkey >> mind' and try to calm it down until it eventually ceases all activity. Then >> you can have a direct experience of reality (Buddha Nature). >> >> When you do things like weeding or probably painting you may focus your >> whole being on just weeding or just painting. If you do this it is just >> like zazen in which you may start by concentrating on your breath. This >> single-mindedness concentration is what is meant by the zen saying, "When >> sit, just sit. When walking, just walk. Above all don't wobble." That means >> when your doing anything, just do that. Don't try to do many things at >> once, and especially don't do something while thinking about something >> else. Like painting while thinking about what you're going to fix for >> dinner. Or when fixing dinner not thinking about what you're going to paint >> after eating. When painting, just paint. When fixing dinner, just fix >> dinner. >> >> And yes, it's much easier said than done... >> >> ...Bill! >> >> --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> >  >> >  bill..yes i understand..thank you..yes i agree with you..the >> intellect chatter..that is constant with me and i find it so tiring to the >> point where i get a headache..i go out and do weeding to freshen my brain.. >> i am constantly asking questions mostly ones one cannot answer >> anyway..round and round in circles i go... chewing it over and over... i am >> a bit of a problem solver..that's what happens at night and i cannot turn >> my mind off so i can't sleep..yes and then there is the emotions rocking me >> around like a boat...i need to go watch a show on telly now..back >> later..thank you bill!..i appreciate this post..merle >> > >> > >> >  >> > Merle, >> > >> > You are definitely on the right track. >> > >> > You can't just turn these things off. Daido talked about that. You just >> let them come and go. The zen story about that (there's a zen story about >> everything) is it is like when you are busy doing something and someone >> comes to your door. You can answer the door, tell them you'r busy right now >> and that they can come back later. What you don't do is invite them in for >> tea and a lengthy chat. >> > >> > You can begin to quiet your mind down by doing what Daido said (or by >> chanting or bowing or koan study, etc...), and when you do reach the point >> to where all these thoughts have been turned off (I use the word 'quiesce' >> or 'paused' or 'temporarily halted') THEN you will experience Buddha Nature >> - which is the direct experience of reality WITHOUT all the intellectual >> and emotional chatter going on. >> > >> > And basically that's it! Then it's just a matter of 'practicing' so you >> can keep all that chatter at an absolute minimum - not cease it permanently >> but only use it (your intellect/your rationality) when it's appropriate. >> Your intellect (logic/rationality) is just one of the many tools you have >> in your human tool bag and you shouldn't treat it like it is the only one. >> Like I've reminded people on this forum of the old saying which I apply to >> the intellect, "When all one has is a hammer, everything looks like a nail". >> > >> > I call all this intellectual chatter 'illusion' and I call only the >> direct experience of reality (Buddha Nature) 'real' - and that's where the >> major difference of opinion (or at least terminology) between Edgar and me >> - at least IMO. >> > >> > Enjoy...Bill! >> > >> > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >  bill! yes i know the scoreboard..sometimes it's hard to turn off >> the mind and experience non thought..and basically it's feelings that get >> me into a knot...i get so many different feelings flooding me..from joy to >> utter despair...all bubbling away like a volcano... this is what i find >> difficult to turn that switch off..however i note in my study..i just let >> them pass as they come and then they go like a log floating down a >> stream..am i on the right track?..merle >> > > >> > > >> > >  >> > > Merle, >> > > >> > > I agree with what Mike says below and would reinforce that in the >> statement you quoted, 'you are your best teacher'... >> > > >> > > If 'you' means your self, your ego, your intellect, your dualistic, >> rational mind - then it is definitely not your best teacher (for zen). >> > > >> > > But if 'you' means experience, Buddha Nature, the absence of ego, >> itellect, dualism, etc... - then it is definitely your best teacher (for >> zen). >> > > >> > > ...Bill! >> > > >> > > --- In [email protected], uerusuboyo@ wrote: >> > > > >> > > > Merle,<br/><br/>Depends what you mean by "you". If 'you' means your >> ego, then absolutely not because the mind will colour things to suit >> itself. If by 'you' you mean reality, then absolutely yes! And by reality I >> mean the immediacy of direct experience. Buddha said, "Be a lamp unto >> yourself". Only you will know if the tea is hot or cold (remember that >> topic!). A teacher is only a guide and friend. Ultimately only you can >> workout your own salvation. <br/><br/>Mike<br/><br/><br/>Sent from Yahoo! >> Mail for iPhone >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >
