Edgar, This phrase is meant to convey that the person, along with whatever it was he is accused of doing, also betrayed the trust of people who depended upon him. Your 'own people' don't expect you to treat them badly, whereas foreigners or 'enemies' should be much more cautious at having that expectation.
...Bill! --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > Merle, > > What is this dumb buzz phrase "do to his own people"? Is it somehow better to > kill people you don't own than ones you do? It really annoys me to hear this > phrase all the time on US TV like it makes someone worse than people who kill > other people's people... > > Edgar > > > > On May 21, 2013, at 6:12 PM, merle lester wrote: > > > > > > > > > how many atheists would do what stalin did to his own people?...think > > again, there are other atheists who willingly mass starve, slaughter and > > torture ...merle > > > > > > > > > > > > On 21/05/2013, at 9:25 PM, Steve Corsini wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> How many atheists would strap on a load of explosives and blow up themself > >> and many other completely innocent people? > >> > >> How many atheists would load a car or truck with explosives and park it in > >> a busy market place and murder innocent shoppers? > >> > >> SJC > >> > >> > >> From: [email protected] > >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of michael > >> haaheim > >> Sent: Tuesday, 21 May 2013 3:16 PM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [evol-psych] The correct statistics: Atheists are not more > >> intelligent > >> > >> > >> Nor is the matter of IQ and atheism so simple. Nor is the level of > >> atheism/theism well established. How many of the theists are strong > >> believers? How many are literal believers? How many are believers vs > >> observers (those who follow the rituals simply because their family always > >> has, and can not imagine doing otherwise)? How many have actually read and > >> studied the entirety of the Bible, or respective holy books? How do the > >> atheists define themselves? > >> Then there is the matter that intelligence is a personal matter. Any > >> national measurement is going to be skewed. > >> In any case,the real problem is not atheism vs theism. The problem is > >> having an open mind. The majority of history's greatest thinkers were > >> theists of some kind... however, many, if not most, of those also were > >> known to be very controversial... many were persecuted by the leaders of > >> their religions. What made them great thinkers was their ability to > >> question. > >> It is often not understood that many atheists suffer the same curse as the > >> theists... those who close their minds to possibilities can not be great > >> thinkers, because great thinking requires an open mind. Over zealous > >> atheists will be as empty as overzealous theists. > >> But here's the problem... theists tend to be indoctrinated to closed > >> minds: they are taught never to question their God, not their holy > >> scriptures, nor their priests. They are taught to have blind faith. Those > >> that adhere to such religious doctrine CAN NOT be strong thinkers, because > >> thinking and creativity REQUIRE the opposite. > >> Atheists have no such indictrination. However, some have a blind hatred > >> against theism, which, as I said, has the same effect of limiting the mind. > >> > >> > >> De : Albert Himoe <himoe@...> > >> À : "[email protected]" > >> <[email protected]> > >> Envoyé le : Mardi 21 mai 2013 4h33 > >> Objet : Re: [evol-psych] The correct statistics: Atheists are not more > >> intelligent > >> > >> > >> Nils K. wrote > >> >Let us as effectively as possible kill the lie that atheists > >> >are more intelligent than non-atheists. > >> >Research all over the world shows that this is a myth. > >> > >> Can you cite such research? I see no myth. > >> > >> Your figures clearly show a negative correlation between religious belief > >> and national IQ, however. > >> Every country with a national IQ of 90 or below had less than 10% > >> atheists, whereas all 4 [Asian] > >> countries with a national IQ >102 had at least 13% atheists. No sane > >> person contends that IQ is the only factor which is associated with > >> atheism. > >> > >> >In Norway (see below), > >> >for example only some 69 percent believe in the Bible, > >> >but the number of believers in a Creator God is probably much higher > >> > >> What is the basis for your statement that the figure for Norway actually > >> represents belief in the Bible, not belief in God? > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
