Edgar and Joe, Since I'm not a Buddhist I don't use the Eightfold Path as a guide for my conduct, and although I do tend to do as Edgar has suggested (tell the truth come Hell or high water) I would have to agree with Joe here that the approach most true to Right Speech would be one which employs a little more touch of Skillful Means.
...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > Mike, > > LOL! So you are now channeling Buddha for me? > > Are you so naive that you don't know you can find at least one internet site > that supports anything? > > Did you do a Whois lookup to confirm Buddha himself is the webmaster of that > site? > > Geeez, and you lecture me on Right Thinking?!!! > > Once again I am right and you are wrong..... > > Right speech is NOT coddling the emotionally needy. Right speech is saying > what is true even when it rubs the defensive ego the wrong way - as in your > case presently.... > > Edgar > > > > On May 23, 2013, at 10:42 AM, uerusuboyo@... wrote: > > > Edgar, > > > > You teaching me anything about Buddhism would be like Stalin teaching > > Gandhi about compassion. Right Speech isn't always just about just telling > > the truth (besides, do you have proof he was a pedophile or just > > speculating?). Here, I'll let Buddha himself teach you: > > > > > > > > http://www.suanmokkh.org/archive/rtspch1.htm > > WELL-SPOKEN WORDS ARE SAMMAVACA > > > > Bhikkhus, words having these five characteristics are words well-spoken, > > are not words badly-spoken, are blameless words that the wise do not > > criticize. What are these five characteristics? The five are: > > > > spoken at the proper time > > spoken in line with the truth > > spoken gently > > spoken beneficially > > spoken with a friendly heart > > > > Bhikkhus, speech having these five characteristics are words well-spoken, > > are not words badly-spoken, are blameless words that the wise do not > > criticize. > > > > > > Edgar, you've just been schooled once more.. > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad > > > > From: Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...>; > > To: <Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com>; > > Subject: Re: [Zen] The False I and the Real I - Eckhart Tolle > > Sent: Thu, May 23, 2013 12:41:28 PM > > > > > > Mike, > > > > > > That was right speech. > > > > A little lesson in Buddhism for you. > > > > Right speech (and thought) have to do with telling the truth, not coddling > > the emotionally needy... > > > > Edgar > > > > > > On May 22, 2013, at 11:28 PM, uerusuboyo@... wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Edgar, > >> > >> You can't preach "Right Thoughts" and then completely stomp over 'Right > >> Speech'... > >> > >> Mike > >> > >> Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad > >> > >> From: Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...>; > >> To: <Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com>; > >> Subject: Re: [Zen] The False I and the Real I - Eckhart Tolle > >> Sent: Wed, May 22, 2013 11:29:34 AM > >> > >> > >> Bill, > >> > >> > >> Mr. Rogers was one of the most smarmy, saccharine, moronic, comic book > >> Christian likely pedophiles to ever defile US TV screens... > >> > >> Edgar > >> > >> > >> > >> On May 22, 2013, at 4:47 AM, Bill! wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> Merle, > >>> > >>> > >>> Mister Roger's Neighborhood was a children's program that was very > >>> popular in the USA for a long, long time. He is very kind and gentle > >>> teaching kids about all kinds of things. Here's an episode where he > >>> talks about friends. It's about 30-minutes long but you only have to > >>> watch about the first 3 or 4 minutes to get the idea of what he was like. > >>> > >>> Mister Rogers > >>> > >>> ...Bill! > >>> > >>> > >>> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester wrote: > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >  an all round american "let me do it right for you"!... merle > >>> >  > >>> > Merle, > >>> > > >>> > Fred Rogers > >>> > www.imdb.com > >>> > Fred McFeely Rogers was an American educator, Presbyterian minister, > >>> > songwriter, author, and television host. Rogers was most famous for > >>> > creating and hosting Mister Rogers' Neighborhood, which featured his > >>> > gentle, soft-spoken personality and directness to his audiences. > >>> > en.wikipedia.org > >>> > Lived: Mar 20, 1928 - Feb 27, 2003 (age 74) > >>> > Height: 6' (1.83 m) > >>> > Spouse: Sara Byrd (1952 - 2003) > >>> > > >>> > ...Bill! > >>> > > >>> > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester wrote: > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > àbill..i do not know who mr. rogers is...enlighten me ,,merle > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > à> >>> > > Merle, > >>> > > > >>> > > Did Eckhart Tolle's demeanor remind you of Mr. Rogers as it did me? > >>> > > > >>> > > ...Bill! > >>> > > > >>> > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@ wrote: > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > Ãâàthank you bill.... a good start for the day... i watched > >>> > > > the video and found it very beneficial... merle > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > Ãâà> >>> > > > Below is a link to a 15-minute video by Eckhart Tolle entitled The > >>> > > > False I and the Real I. ÃâàI've read a few things from Tolle > >>> > > > but have never seen a video by him before. ÃâàI would > >>> > > > describe him as the the Mr. Rogers of New-AgeÃâàSpiritualism. > >>> > > > ÃâàIf I remember correctly Bonnie, one of our new member, > >>> > > > speaks highly of Tolle. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > It was interesting to me because he stated the ego is only the ego > >>> > > > if you're unaware of it, and as soon as you become aware of it it's > >>> > > > not the ego anymore. That corresponds somewhat to zen in that the > >>> > > > self is only problematic when you think it's real and are not aware > >>> > > > that it is an illusion. He also goes on to say that just > >>> > > > recognizing the ego doesn't solve all your problems. He says that > >>> > > > there is a kind of momentum built up that you just can't stop > >>> > > > immediately. ÃâàI think what he calls 'momentum' could be the > >>> > > > same as what Buddhism and zen (as I understand it) calls > >>> > > > 'attachment'. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > Anyway all this is similar to the experiencing Buddha Nature and > >>> > > > realizing the self is an illusion. That experience doesn't mean you > >>> > > > do not have any more work left to do to continue to weaken and > >>> > > > finally dissolve the attachment you have to this illusory self - > >>> > > > even after you recognize that it is illusory. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > Also, you might also see how the same or very similar teachings of > >>> > > > zen are presented in a more modern dialog. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > If you'd like to see this video, and I recommend it, you can find > >>> > > > it on YouTube at:ÃâàThe False I and the Real IÃâà. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > Enjoy! 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