Edgar, I assume you're using term 'realization' in some non-zen sense, like 'I felt a chill, looked down and 'realized' I was not wearing any pants'; and not referring to 'realization' (or what I would call 'experience') of Buddha Nature.
...Bill! --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > Mike, > > Good question, but as with most if not all realizations it DID EMPLY REASON > in several respects. The understanding that the drum was the heartbeat of > Buddha was an understanding of reason. The understanding that Buddha nature > exists sleeping in all things is an understanding of reason. That reason > enabled the path to the actual realization of the sleeping Buddha > awakening.... > > Reason and understanding are always essential to take one on the path to the > point that realization occurs... > > Edgar > > > > On Jun 16, 2013, at 3:50 AM, uerusuboyo@... wrote: > > > Edgar, > > > > Thank you for sharing that personal experience. It reminds me of this haiku > > by Buson : > > > > The thwack of an ax > > in the heart of a thicket > > and woodpecker's tat-tats! > > > > Of course, it could be written about any country where there are > > woodpeckers, but if you've been to Japan, then you can understand the > > feeling of a Japanese summer in the country that it evokes. > > > > Just one point tho. Your awakening experience was a run of the mill, garden > > variety Zen awakening (I don't mean that in a trivial way). It occurred > > spontaneously without employing reason or logic (you didn't even mention > > "ontological energy" ; )). So why do you now argue that such break-thru's > > can only happen after using rationality and intellectual reasoning? > > > > Mike > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad > > > > From: Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...>; > > To: <[email protected]>; > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Experience the light > > Sent: Sat, Jun 15, 2013 7:21:34 PM > > > > > > All, > > > > Actually this Dharma Drum reference reminds me of one of my realization > > experiences .... > > > > One night during the period I was walking through Japan I spent the night > > sleeping in a field of weeds outside a Zen temple. Very early in the > > morning way before sunrise a large drum began a continuous slow ba Boom, ba > > Boom, ba Boom... This went on for some time but at some point I suddenly > > realized this was the heartbeat of the sleeping Buddha, the Buddha sleeping > > in everything around me. At that point I had a sudden wonderful realization > > and Buddha awoke! > > > > Edgar > > > > On Jun 15, 2013, at 2:46 PM, Edgar Owen wrote: > > > > > Joe, > > > > > > What's Dharma Drum? > > > > > > Could this be a depiction of it? I was wondering who this guy was.... > > > > > > > > > <gandhara-11463.jpg> > > > On Jun 15, 2013, at 1:15 PM, Joe wrote: > > > > > >> Donald, > > >> > > >> All those things you say are correct, and can be confirmed by others > > >> besides me, too. > > >> > > >> They are not a good basis nor motivation for the Bodhisattva path, > > >> however. > > >> > > >> A Bodhisattva, to be a Bodhisattva, knows that he/she is practicing in > > >> order to open the heart of Compassion. > > >> > > >> To practice for light, etc., is the practice of Outer Paths. It is not > > >> really Chan. > > >> > > >> I think you can find true Chan on Taiwan!: you are in a good place for > > >> it. How about Dharma Drum. > > >> > > >> --Joe > > >> > > >>> <chan.jmjm@> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Dear All, > > >>> > > >>> If you believe the light inside all of us is the key to enlightenment, > > >>> then please read on... > > >>> > > >>> All I am asking you to TRY for the last eight years is the following: > > >>> > > >>> 1. Focus on the path of your belly breathing. > > >>> 2. Focus on your chakras. > > >>> 3. Focus and guide your chi along your chi channels. > > >>> 4. Do this everyday for one hour minimum. > > >>> > > >>> One day, you will find all of your chakra merged into one and all three > > >>> chi channels merged into one. You become one ball of chi. Due to all > > >>> the focusing, your mind is empty, you see light emitting from all of > > >>> your chakras. You enter into a realm of light. > > >>> > > >>> Now you'll possess the power to heal as well as the wisdom for each > > >>> encounter without the need to think. > > >>> > > >>> That's all I am suggesting for you to try to experience. > > >>> > > >>> Thank you for your attention, > > >>> JM > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
