Chris, Merle, Joe, et al... Could you get anymore trivial and any more true than the saying which is also the title of a book: "selling water by the river"?
What is more trivial than water? What is more precious than water? ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > >  yes chris..you are on the correct path to this trivial...i think edgar > calls it comic book zen...merle > > >  > http://www.thesatoriteacompany.com/ > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IK735YHVtA > > > http://zenhabits.net/ > > > I believe you must simply be failing to understand my words here.  You've > never seen US culture trivialize zen? > > > > http://cherrycrime26.hubpages.com/hub/Meditation-Techniques-To-Manifest-Money > > > http://www.zenprofits.com/ > > > http://www.amazon.com/Soul-Centered-Transform-Your-Weeks-Meditation/dp/1401935869 > > > Oh well, > > Chris > > > > > Thanks, > > --Chris > chris@... > +1-301-270-6524 > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Joe <desert_woodworker@...> wrote: > > Chris, > > > >I never heard such stuff.  Dunno where you may be coming from. > > > >It may be just a geographic or cultural proclivity, or merely and > >importantly personal. > > > >I hope you and your chosen teacher will take these things up, if they are > >important in (Zen) practice. > > > >Best, > > > > > >--Joe > > > >> Chris Austin-Lane <chris@> wrote: > >> > > > >> I wasn't really referring to the case when people with a lot of aware > >> experiences of buddha nature trivialize it - that seems like a non-problem > >> to me. > >> > >> I was referring to the tendency of [my, i.e. US] culture to trivialize > >> everything, especially stuff from other traditions, e.g. > >> http://zeninamoment.com/  or http://www.kenwilber.com/blog/list/1 > >> http://bigmind.org/genpo-roshi > >> > >> People want to think that there is some simple fix that they can acquire, > >> rather than that there is no problem, and nothing to fix but their own > >> tendencies to blindness, irritation and wanting stuff, which is extremely > >> non-trivial to lay down, and that the process of laying down these > >> tendencies is so profoundly satisfying that one can't find it trivial; it > >> is as trivial as singing in the rain while feeling happy. > >> > >> In my experience, people in the US are apt to paper over the most profound > >> moments with silly thin ideas, turning away from the suchness we have a > >> chance to share in and turning towards some paper-thing abstraction. > >> > >> Do I think that substituting "seeing God" or "seeing the face of God" might > >> help someone understand "Just This!" or "experience Buddha nature"?  I > >> find > >> it likely enough to be worth discussing. > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------ > > > >Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are > >reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
