joe..excuse me..i am a migrant..from estonia..and by the way joe....those outcasts as you refer to them... were folk in england who many stole a loaf of bread to survive... come off it... we know went on in england in the time of dickens.. the toffs sitting on their thrones, the poor doing their bidding you awake...try google and get facts right before you climb onto your zen tree top merle
Merle, Ha; you ought to talk. Country founded from a population of penal outcasts... . It's instead the threat and fear of becoming a social outcast, and even of being deprived of freedom under the Law. Bad behavior obviously yet appeals to certain sociopaths, but their nervous system is not normal. I think it's risk of becoming a social outcast that keeps most people acting civilly. But some others are actually guided by true empathy, and even true compassion. Maybe many. In those awakened to Zen-Mind (No-Mind), there's the recognition of everyone and everything being fingers of One Hand. And one will not cut off one's nose to spite one's face. This is the truest basis for "morality", because it is No-Morality, born of No-Mind. It is the *ONLY* goal of Zen practice through the millenia. And so, I mention it here. In our Zen Forum. --Joe > Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > mike.. > humans in many cases are trained to be good... > it's the be good or else...fear..is the thing that trains em... > you'll go to hell went on for centuries now it's the threat and fear of > karma!!!!!!
