Merle, I think the implication in your last statement is wrong here: "...animal versus human".
Humans are animals. So IMO the pertinent questions are: - Are humans qualitatively different than animals? (Do humans have a completely unique quality that sets them apart from other animals?) - If so, does this quality improve the lives of humans, or detract from them? ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > >  mike..ever given birth? no your a man... you might think differently if you > were a woman...  choice...it must be available... why are you saying it must > not?... i know a woman  who had 4 abortions to her partner ..and wondered > why the partner want not to have sex... she was a bitch...he should have left > her...she ended up with his best friend by finding him on the net..he the new > partner has a kiddy to another woman the kiddy is 18..poor ex partner at 55 > has no kiddy thanks to his bitch ex how says a kiddy was too much for her > ...it's sad for him and i feel for him... why he clung on to the bitch is a > mystery..he still hangs around her... though now there are 3 of them... both > the men look very much alike... like brothers same age same height..same > look...and she prances in short mini skirts at age 55... all are highly > educated... so what's your take on her behaviour?..merle p.s. i am giving up > on the animal verse human... >  > Merle, > > You tried to make a point about being morally superior by asking if I > acknowledge the animal being eaten (you failed miserably btw, as I have been > vegetarian most of my adult life). I'm responding in kind. Two can play at > that game! You seem to be saying it's okay to terminate a potential human > life as it's the woman's right to choose to abort. Yes or no? > > Mike > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad > > > > ________________________________ > From: Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...>; > To: [email protected] <[email protected]>; > Subject: Re: [Zen] i'd rather be a tiger burger > Sent: Tue, Jun 25, 2013 9:04:39 AM > > >  > > > she can make the choice to have an abortion...what are you driving at?..merle >  > Merle, > > And what if she was raped or the foetus was in a vegetative state? > > Mike > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad > > > > ________________________________ > From: Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...>; > To: [email protected] <[email protected]>; > Subject: Re: [Zen] i'd rather be a tiger burger > Sent: Tue, Jun 25, 2013 7:36:01 AM > > >  > > >  mike... her choice if she is stupid enough to get pregnant in the first > place..merle > > >  > Merle, > > I became a vegetarian 20 years ago. If you care to go back into the archives > on this forum you'll see how I argued against the eating of meat. Since then > I've mellowed from those views in so far as its up to the individual to > choose. Killing an animal is different from eating what is offered to you > *although* by choosing to eat it you indirectly cause another to do the > killing and this is something that has to be considered. I've since recently > reintroduced meat into my diet, but plan on returning to a vegetarian diet > soon. On all vipassana retreats the food served is vegetarian and > vegetarianism is encouraged, but not enforced. > > So, I take it you give thanks for every bite of meat that you partake. Yes? > Know any other animal that does that? Since you tried to make a point, what's > your take on a woman's right to choose regarding > abortion? > > Mike > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad > > > > ________________________________ > From: Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...>; > To: [email protected] <[email protected]>; > Subject: [Zen] i'd rather be a tiger burger > Sent: Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:45:42 AM > > >  > > >  mike.. > you just don't get it..so you do all the knocking.... > have you had your lunch yet?.. > did you give eternal thanks to the animal you devoured so you could have the > energy to type this message to the zen forum...? >  merle >  > Edgar, Merle, > > You two should really knock your heads together! Edgar, you've just cited a > story proving my point and Merle chimes in with"Beautiful!". Like the Abbott > and Costello of the Zen forum.. > > Mike > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad > > > > ________________________________ > From: Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...>; > To: [email protected] <[email protected]>; > Subject: Re: [Zen] rise above to where? > Sent: Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:27:03 AM > > >  >  beautiful edgar.... beautiful...!!!!!!!!... the point that joe cannot get > his head around is...tiger eat lunch...murderers kill for killing's > sake..though some have known to make it their lunch as well... being a burger > for a tiger is a good plan...merle >  > Joe, > > Apparently you're ignorant of the story of the Buddhist monk who gave his > body to the hungry mother tiger to feed her starving cubs? > > Edgar > > > > > On Jun 24, 2013, at 7:54 PM, Joe wrote: > >  > >Merle, > > > >Once you're dead, it's only the aftermath of the death that could possibly > >matter. > > > >If a Tiger eats you, no one gets to use your organs. Your organs could save > >and improve the lives of 5 or 6 people. Tiger only gets one meal out of > >you. Two days later, she'll need another meal. That's not great use of > >Human tissue. But organ donation has that beat by miles. > > > >See you're just now speaking about "the fact", the fact in your present > >case. But that's too miniscule a conversation, and should not concern us > >here. Speaking in general, it's better to be shot dead than to be eaten by > >a Tiger. > > > >I know you agree, now that you've refreshed your view of what we're actually > >talking about. > > > >No one wants the cataract-y corneas of most of us "Seniors". Except Tigers. > > > >Stay clear of Tigers, and gun-totin' killers, just the same. Long life! > > > >--Joe > > > >> Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > >> > >> that's not the point joe... > >> a tiger is doing what a tiger does..having lunch.. > >> a murderer is going against the grain of.."thou shalt not kill"...what's > >> organ donation got to do with this?...à> >> if your over 70 no one wants your worn out organs here in australia.. only > >> the corneas... > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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