Bill!,<br/><br/>It's just two sides of the same coin. Zen just gets you to 
awaken with very little explanation and instruction - The sutras explain the 
processes of the mind that create a self and suffering and the steps necessary 
to awaken and be liberated. Both work. Zen is a steep cliff-face that can get 
you to the top quickly, but you'll see few at the top. 'Buddhism' is a less 
steep and longer winding route that takes longer to reach the summit, but is 
more accessible and will see more people reach the 
top.<br/><br/>Mike<br/><br/><br/>Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

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