Chris, I agree. KISS!
...Bill! --- In [email protected], Chris Austin-Lane <chris@...> wrote: > > The main thing I wanted to say was I think KISS, in the world of > pluralism, is a good idea. > > My truncated thought is that I prefer writing about non duality to be > fresh, spoken as if the writer has seen nondually and is using concepts and > words familiar to his or her own actual life instead of just repeating what > has been written down. > > I find Brad Warner, Karen Maezen Miller, Pema Chodron, the Platform Sutra, > and parts of Dogen to have this vitality and freshness. Some modern > Buddhist writing seems to yearn for resting in non-duality but to end up > having a lot of complex ideas from the past touching all the words. Reading > good intentioned words can be like a bad Sunday school, whereas the fresh > writing leads to laughter and tears and the pleasure of this funny life, a > bit like a picnic that, despite it all, the bugs or whatever, leaves one > full and content, enjoying the clean air. > > Thanks, > --Chris > 301-270-6524 > > > Well said, Mike. Applaud.. jm > > On 7/3/2013 12:04 AM, uerusuboyo@... wrote: > > > > Bill!, > > It's just two sides of the same coin. Zen just gets you to awaken with very > little explanation and instruction - The sutras explain the processes of > the mind that create a self and suffering and the steps necessary to awaken > and be liberated. Both work. Zen is a steep cliff-face that can get you to > the top quickly, but you'll see few at the top. 'Buddhism' is a less steep > and longer winding route that takes longer to reach the summit, but is more > accessible and will see more people reach the top. > > Mike > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad > > ------------------------------ > * From: * Bill! <BillSmart@...> <BillSmart@...>; > * To: * <[email protected]> <[email protected]>; > * Subject: * [Zen] Re: Fw: It was like Shiva dancing in rage > * Sent: * Wed, Jul 3, 2013 6:50:20 AM > > > > Joe, > > I do feel that Buddhism proper causes humans to suffer. I feel that it > gives them a false sense (an intellectually-based belief) that they know > what awakening is and how to conduct themselves in accordance with someone > else's teachings who they believe was awakened. In truth it probably makes > them feel better, but it keeps them from going further - to awaken > themselves. > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], "Joe" > <desert_woodworker@><desert_woodworker@>wrote: > > > > Bill!, > > > > quoting: > > "I think Buddhism itself needs to be discarded completely." > > > > Face it: it cannot be. It is a living thing. Living things evolve. I see > no asteroid coming to smack it. > > > > Zen practice is a personal choice for a person who can cut to the chase, > ...or who can embrace nothing else. > > > > Other practice is available for folks with a different bent. > > > > I think, again, that your view of "need" is a personal one. If it's a > more extensive view, then I say, "get on with accomplishing it". > > > > Remember the objection against considering to end the war in Vietnam?: > > > > "What are you going to replace it with?" > > > > But I think you have personally already discarded Buddhism; you call your > practice "Zen", not "Zen Buddhism". It would seem already that Buddhism > should not annoy you. > > > > Where else do you mean you would like to see it discarded? And, for what > PRACTICAL purpose? Is it like a swarm of mosquitoes that annoys you? > > > > Or do you, as a Bodhisattva, feel that it is causing sentient beings to > suffer? > > > > coffee time, > > > > best!, > > > > --Joe > > > > > "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > I think Buddhism itself needs to be discarded completely. > > > > > > Zen, on the other hand, as it's presented in a lot of zen literature is > presented very simply and very effectively. There is some zen literature > that is complex also, but most of that is either trying to resolve zen with > Buddhism or explain in an almost technical style the experience of Buddha > Nature. > > > > > > Anyway, I'm just more supportive of the KISS school - and the simpler > the better. > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
