never...merle Merle,
A funny Freudian slip. Are you DUELing with Bill? :-) Edgar On Jul 4, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Merle Lester wrote: > > > > > bill..many things have duel purposes... >what you believe and think may not be useful today will be > humans cannot do without without it scenario tomorrow... >one must keep the door opened so to speak.. >for you never know.. >merle > > > >Edgar, > >No, I don't think so. > >It's kind of like the discussion Merle and I were having about having a map >and being lost. Something is only 'useful' if you have an intention, a >purpose to fulfill, much like having destination. An example is a hammer is >useful for pounding in a nail, but its not useful for screwing in a screw. > >If you have no intentions, no purpose - then 'useful' doesn't really have much >meaning. > >...Bill! > >--- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: >> >> Bill, >> >> Yes, that's what reality is! >> >> Edgar >> >> >> >> On Jul 4, 2013, at 6:59 AM, Bill! wrote: >> >> > Edgar, >> > >> > No, 'usefulness' only means something gives you the results you want. >> > >> > ...Bill! >> > >> > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: >> > > >> > > Bill, >> > > >> > > Usefulness is a criterion that something IS real. Usefulness means it's >> > > in synch with the actual logic of the world of forms and thus IS >> > > accurately part of reality... >> > > >> > > Edgar >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On Jul 3, 2013, at 8:10 PM, Bill! wrote: >> > > >> > > > PBS, >> > > > >> > > > Math, logic, reason like all delusions should come with the caveat >> > > > 'suitable for everyday use'. As a universal human language to >> > > > communicate our logical concepts it's very useful, but it should never >> > > > be mistaken for reality. >> > > > >> > > > ...Bill! >> > > > >> > > > --- In [email protected], <pandabananasock@> wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > Bill!: >> > > > > You're gonna ignore the math? I thought you said you were looking >> > > > > for an impersonal language a couple posts ago... :D >> > > > > >> > > > > The thing about using math that way is that eventually it leads you >> > > > > back to the beginning. We use mathematics as an expression of the >> > > > > model, then we use the model as an expression of the math. Then we >> > > > > realize that both are models of each other and the same, and >> > > > > experience encompasses all -- no need for anything else. Rivers and >> > > > > mountains become rivers and mountains again! >> > > > > ~PeeBeeEss >> > > > > >> > > > > -------------------------------------------- >> > > > > On Wed, 7/3/13, Bill! <BillSmart@> wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Say Bye-Bye to the Delusion of Cause-and-Effect >> > > > > and Karma >> > > > > To: [email protected] >> > > > > Date: Wednesday, July 3, 2013, 8:56 AM >> > > > > >> > > > > PBS (That's going to be my TLA (Three >> > > > > Letter Acronym) for Pandabananasock from now on)... >> > > > > >> > > > > I'll ignore all the math but do agree that JUST IF there is >> > > > > such a think that could be called 'karma' it's not so much a >> > > > > moralistic cause-and-effect as it is an intrinsic quality of >> > > > > the act itself. >> > > > > >> > > > > But, I'll continue to poo-poo all claims of karma. >> > > > > >> > > > > ...Bill! >> > > > > >> > > > > --- In [email protected], >> > > > > pandabananasock@ wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Most people think of "1+1=2" as procedural, that is, >> > > > > that there is 1, THEN we add 1 to it, THEN it becomes >> > > > > 2. They would regard "2=1+1" and "2=2" to be different >> > > > > equations, but they are not in the least bit >> > > > > different. The equal-sign is the present. >> > > > > > "1+1" is already 2! And the effect IS the >> > > > > cause. Your karmic punishment for doing something >> > > > > "bad" is you doing that "bad" thing. Your karmic >> > > > > reward for doing something "good" is you doing that "good" >> > > > > thing. Forget the come-back-to-bite-you BS! >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > ------------------------------ >> > > > > > On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:58 AM EDT Bill! wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >...Bill! >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > ------------------------------------ >> > > > > >> > > > > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have >> > > > > read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups >> > > > > Links >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > [email protected] >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >
