Bill, True, but everyone DOES have intentions and purposes. That's what real life is like in the REAL world of forms...
Why, for God's sake, do you think there is something wrong with that or it isn't real? Edgar On Jul 4, 2013, at 8:26 AM, Bill! wrote: > Edgar, > > No, I don't think so. > > It's kind of like the discussion Merle and I were having about having a map > and being lost. Something is only 'useful' if you have an intention, a > purpose to fulfill, much like having destination. An example is a hammer is > useful for pounding in a nail, but its not useful for screwing in a screw. > > If you have no intentions, no purpose - then 'useful' doesn't really have > much meaning. > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > > > Bill, > > > > Yes, that's what reality is! > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > On Jul 4, 2013, at 6:59 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > Edgar, > > > > > > No, 'usefulness' only means something gives you the results you want. > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > Usefulness is a criterion that something IS real. Usefulness means it's > > > > in synch with the actual logic of the world of forms and thus IS > > > > accurately part of reality... > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 3, 2013, at 8:10 PM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > > > > > PBS, > > > > > > > > > > Math, logic, reason like all delusions should come with the caveat > > > > > 'suitable for everyday use'. As a universal human language to > > > > > communicate our logical concepts it's very useful, but it should > > > > > never be mistaken for reality. > > > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], <pandabananasock@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill!: > > > > > > You're gonna ignore the math? I thought you said you were looking > > > > > > for an impersonal language a couple posts ago... :D > > > > > > > > > > > > The thing about using math that way is that eventually it leads you > > > > > > back to the beginning. We use mathematics as an expression of the > > > > > > model, then we use the model as an expression of the math. Then we > > > > > > realize that both are models of each other and the same, and > > > > > > experience encompasses all -- no need for anything else. Rivers and > > > > > > mountains become rivers and mountains again! > > > > > > ~PeeBeeEss > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > > > > On Wed, 7/3/13, Bill! <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Say Bye-Bye to the Delusion of Cause-and-Effect > > > > > > and Karma > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, July 3, 2013, 8:56 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > PBS (That's going to be my TLA (Three > > > > > > Letter Acronym) for Pandabananasock from now on)... > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll ignore all the math but do agree that JUST IF there is > > > > > > such a think that could be called 'karma' it's not so much a > > > > > > moralistic cause-and-effect as it is an intrinsic quality of > > > > > > the act itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > But, I'll continue to poo-poo all claims of karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], > > > > > > pandabananasock@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most people think of "1+1=2" as procedural, that is, > > > > > > that there is 1, THEN we add 1 to it, THEN it becomes > > > > > > 2. They would regard "2=1+1" and "2=2" to be different > > > > > > equations, but they are not in the least bit > > > > > > different. The equal-sign is the present. > > > > > > > "1+1" is already 2! And the effect IS the > > > > > > cause. Your karmic punishment for doing something > > > > > > "bad" is you doing that "bad" thing. Your karmic > > > > > > reward for doing something "good" is you doing that "good" > > > > > > thing. Forget the come-back-to-bite-you BS! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:58 AM EDT Bill! wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have > > > > > > read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
