Edgar,

quoting:

"Usefulness is a criterion that something IS real."

That is a specious remark.

Consider, instead, that it all depends on ...Humans.

NOT "The World"!

Wittgenstein -- for what he's worth -- asserts and reminds us in his TRACTATUS, 
that:

"The World is all that is the case."

(but that's viewing it from the realm of thought, only).

Going backwards, for example, consider:

Boolean Algebra was pretty *USE*less, until other Humans found a use for it.

Your cognitive theory and practice of Zen is limited to the realm or 
applicability of thought, or other cognition.  But Zen has nothing to do with 
that.  Except that it subsumes it.  You appear unfortunately to working only on 
a special case, and barking up a tree without bark.

Limiting, and limited.

But, have at it.  And, you *may* have it.

Your pragmatism is good as near as it goes, but I like Charles Peirce's 
instance of it much more, because he does not cloud it with associations with 
Zen, or with anything else.  He is clear.

And, I like Zen's emphasis on practice and awakening, because it naturally has 
no dependence on linear or associative thought: instead, it is founded on 
realization, awakening, and the recognition of regaining our original Human 
inheritance.  No small matter, nor distinction.

These are personal preferences of good taste and correct practice, though, and 
I mean no disrespect in dismissing your views as in any way touching upon our 
topic of Zen.

I'm glad, too, that we are friends.  I like having friends who span the 
spectrum of Human fallibility. 

--Joe

> Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote:
>
> Bill,
> 
> Usefulness is a criterion that something IS real. Usefulness means it's in 
> synch with the actual logic of the world of forms and thus IS accurately part 
> of reality...
> 
> Edgar



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