Edgar, No, I don't think so.
It's kind of like the discussion Merle and I were having about having a map and being lost. Something is only 'useful' if you have an intention, a purpose to fulfill, much like having destination. An example is a hammer is useful for pounding in a nail, but its not useful for screwing in a screw. If you have no intentions, no purpose - then 'useful' doesn't really have much meaning. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > Bill, > > Yes, that's what reality is! > > Edgar > > > > On Jul 4, 2013, at 6:59 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > Edgar, > > > > No, 'usefulness' only means something gives you the results you want. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > Usefulness is a criterion that something IS real. Usefulness means it's > > > in synch with the actual logic of the world of forms and thus IS > > > accurately part of reality... > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 3, 2013, at 8:10 PM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > > > PBS, > > > > > > > > Math, logic, reason like all delusions should come with the caveat > > > > 'suitable for everyday use'. As a universal human language to > > > > communicate our logical concepts it's very useful, but it should never > > > > be mistaken for reality. > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], <pandabananasock@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Bill!: > > > > > You're gonna ignore the math? I thought you said you were looking for > > > > > an impersonal language a couple posts ago... :D > > > > > > > > > > The thing about using math that way is that eventually it leads you > > > > > back to the beginning. We use mathematics as an expression of the > > > > > model, then we use the model as an expression of the math. Then we > > > > > realize that both are models of each other and the same, and > > > > > experience encompasses all -- no need for anything else. Rivers and > > > > > mountains become rivers and mountains again! > > > > > ~PeeBeeEss > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > > > On Wed, 7/3/13, Bill! <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Say Bye-Bye to the Delusion of Cause-and-Effect > > > > > and Karma > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Date: Wednesday, July 3, 2013, 8:56 AM > > > > > > > > > > PBS (That's going to be my TLA (Three > > > > > Letter Acronym) for Pandabananasock from now on)... > > > > > > > > > > I'll ignore all the math but do agree that JUST IF there is > > > > > such a think that could be called 'karma' it's not so much a > > > > > moralistic cause-and-effect as it is an intrinsic quality of > > > > > the act itself. > > > > > > > > > > But, I'll continue to poo-poo all claims of karma. > > > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], > > > > > pandabananasock@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most people think of "1+1=2" as procedural, that is, > > > > > that there is 1, THEN we add 1 to it, THEN it becomes > > > > > 2. They would regard "2=1+1" and "2=2" to be different > > > > > equations, but they are not in the least bit > > > > > different. The equal-sign is the present. > > > > > > "1+1" is already 2! And the effect IS the > > > > > cause. Your karmic punishment for doing something > > > > > "bad" is you doing that "bad" thing. Your karmic > > > > > reward for doing something "good" is you doing that "good" > > > > > thing. Forget the come-back-to-bite-you BS! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:58 AM EDT Bill! wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have > > > > > read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
