Merle, Humans do sometimes use math to make bridges, but ants make bridges all the time and I don't think they ever use math to do so.
...Bill! --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > >  >  it is mathematics and it certainly does communicate..without mathematics we > would not have any bridges to cross rivers for example...merle > > >  > The experience of unity that is what I am trying to convey, not that > effectively, is no more sharable than the experience of unity one may notice > while taking a bath or washing the coffee mugs. > Communicators may try to use math, but these uses are always matters of > stories. > Any ways, surely you don't mean math itself communicates?  What ever would > that mean? Remember, math properly is called maths. > Thanks, > --Chris > 301-270-6524 > > On Jul 4, 2013 12:16 PM, "Edgar Owen" <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > > > > >Chris, > > > > > >It's really dumb to say math doesn't communicate! Of course it does... > > > > > >Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Jul 4, 2013, at 3:09 PM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: > > > > > >> > >> > >>I have to share Bill's disagreement of math being a language or even being > >>communicative. > >>Thanks, > >>--Chris > >>301-270-6524 > >> > >>On Jul 3, 2013 10:48 PM, "Merle Lester" <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > >> > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> mathematics is a universal language as is art and music..merle > >>> > >>>PBS, > >>> > >>>Math, logic, reason like all delusions should come with the caveat > >>>'suitable for everyday use'. As a universal human language to communicate > >>>our logical concepts it's very useful, but it should never be mistaken for > >>>reality. > >>> > >>>...Bill! > >>> > >>>--- In [email protected], <pandabananasock@> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Bill!: > >>>> You're gonna ignore the math? I thought you said you were looking for > >>>> an impersonal language a couple posts ago... :D > >>>> > >>>> The thing about using math that way is that eventually it leads you back > >>>> to the beginning. We use mathematics as an expression of the model, > >>>> then we use the model as an expression of the math. Then we realize > >>>> that both are models of each other and the same, and experience > >>>> encompasses all -- no need for anything else. Rivers and mountains > >>>> become rivers and mountains again! > >>>> ~PeeBeeEss > >>>> > >>>> -------------------------------------------- > >>>> On Wed, 7/3/13, Bill! <BillSmart@> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Zen] Say Bye-Bye to the Delusion of Cause-and-Effect and > >>>> Karma > >>>> To: [email protected] > >>>> Date: Wednesday, July 3, 2013, 8:56 AM > >>>> > >>>> PBS (That's going to be my TLA (Three > >>>> Letter Acronym) for Pandabananasock from now on)... > >>>> > >>>> I'll ignore all the math but do agree that JUST IF there is > >>>> such a think that could be called 'karma' it's not so much a > >>>> moralistic cause-and-effect as it is an intrinsic quality of > >>>> the act itself. > >>>> > >>>> But, I'll continue to poo-poo all claims of karma. > >>>> > >>>> ...Bill! > >>>> > >>>> --- In [email protected], > >>>> pandabananasock@ wrote: > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > Most people think of "1+1=2" as procedural, that is, > >>>> that there is 1, THEN we add 1 to it, THEN it becomes > >>>> 2. They would regard "2=1+1" and "2=2" to be different > >>>> equations, but they are not in the least bit > >>>> different. The equal-sign is the present. > >>>> > "1+1" is already 2! And the effect IS the > >>>> cause. Your karmic punishment for doing something > >>>> "bad" is you doing that "bad" thing. Your karmic > >>>> reward for doing something "good" is you doing that "good" > >>>> thing. Forget the come-back-to-bite-you BS! > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > ------------------------------ > >>>> > On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:58 AM EDT Bill! wrote: > >>>> > > >>>> > > > >>>> > >...Bill! > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------------ > >>>> > >>>> Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have > >>>> read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups > >>>> Links > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>   [email protected] > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
