Edgar, What's causing confusion is you continue to look at experience only from a pluralistic POV. From a pluralistic POV there is a distinction between sight, sound, taste, smell and touch. From a monistic POV there is no distinction. It's just experience. Experience is only separated into the different senses when pluralism arises along with perception. It's then that you see, hear, taste, smell and touch. Before pluralism there is just experience - Just THIS!
It doesn't matter if my perception is different (worse or better - like eyesight or hearing) than yours. For example blurry vision doesn't produce a different experience than clear vision. The vision being blurry or clear is a perception, not an experience. The same goes for vision and touch. If a person is blind but can feel then they are sentient and do experience; BUT a blind person or deaf person does not have the same perception as a person who sees and hears well. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > So why is the experience of you different from someone who needs glasses, or > a blind person? > > Which has the 'true' experience of the 'true' reality? > > Which is the true 'just this' when you have 3 different just thises? > > Edgar > > > > On Jul 7, 2013, at 6:46 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > Edgar, > > > > Experience (awareness of the 'real world') is not dependent upon > > eyeglasses, corneas or eyes. It is however dependent upon what we call > > senses. If you were not sentient then you could not experience and would > > have no awareness. > > > > There would be nothing. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > Panda, > > > > > > Good point. Which is the REAL world Bill. With or without glasses? With > > > or without corneas? With or without eyes? > > > > > > After all reality does NOT consist of focused light images of 'things'.... > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 7, 2013, at 1:43 AM, pandabananasock wrote: > > > > > > > Are you wearing glasses right now? > > > > Can you see the frames in your periphery? > > > > Did you see them before I asked? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
