Edgar,
quoting:
"He MISTAKES his experience for reality and can't understand that his
experience is PART of reality (which every school boy knows) instead of reality
being part of his experience."
THAT'S a metaphysical statement, and an establishment of a metaphysics.
Now, worse things have been done, and said, in history.
But, establishing a metaphysics is not a part of the program of Zen training,
nor does it come into being at or following Awakening in Zen practice.
THAT'S the difference you always evidence here between your emphases about Zen
and Bills!: you create and tenaciously cling to a View; Bill! notes Experience
as primary, not a view. I note that Zen notes what Bill! notes.
--Joe
> Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> PS: And btw Buddha lived long before Bill was born. So how could he have even
> existed if Bill's imagination wasn't around to create him since like
> everything else Bill believes Buddha is a product of his imagination?
>
> Not to mention the universe that Bill created back at the big bang in his
> imagination! Hmmm, does Bill believe he is God? I think the DSM has a name
> for that condition....
>
> Hey, I'm older than Bill. So maybe I didn't really exist before Bill's
> imagination created me when he was born? Strange I don't notice any change in
> my existence when Bill goes to sleep..
>
> Bill's core belief is just all too too ridiculous!
>
> Is anyone here really dumb enough to believe they are figments of Bill's
> imagination?
>
> Bill can't distinguish between experience and reality. He MISTAKES his
> experience for reality and can't understand that his experience is PART of
> reality (which every school boy knows) instead of reality being part of his
> experience.
>
> Edgar
>
>
>
> On Jul 18, 2013, at 11:14 AM, Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> > Bill,
> >
> >
> > Funny! Einstein clearly states that he agrees with me and Buddha there is a
> > real external world completely independent of Bill's imagination...
> >
> > This quote disagrees with Bill's core belief so why does Bill post it?
> >
> > Edgar
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