Edgar,
Yes, indeed, what a seething mass of attachment you wriggle within.
You criticize ME, not my point.
You already lost (face).
Really, consider what you're doing. Establishing a metaphysics! THAT'S NOT
ZEN!!
Sorry to shout.
You (Edgar) need to hear it.
Folks here all agree with me. Not because they're right, but because you're
wrong. Manifestly.
--Joe
> Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote:
>
> Joe,
>
> Your reply is an intellectualization of the very type you condemn...
>
> Edgar
>
>
> On Jul 18, 2013, at 3:05 PM, Joe wrote:
>
> > Edgar,
> >
> > quoting:
> >
> > "He MISTAKES his experience for reality and can't understand that his
> > experience is PART of reality (which every school boy knows) instead of
> > reality being part of his experience."
> >
> > THAT'S a metaphysical statement, and an establishment of a metaphysics.
> >
> > Now, worse things have been done, and said, in history.
> >
> > But, establishing a metaphysics is not a part of the program of Zen
> > training, nor does it come into being at or following Awakening in Zen
> > practice.
> >
> > THAT'S the difference you always evidence here between your emphases about
> > Zen and Bills!: you create and tenaciously cling to a View; Bill! notes
> > Experience as primary, not a view. I note that Zen notes what Bill! notes.
> >
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