Joe, Your reply is an intellectualization of the very type you condemn...
Edgar On Jul 18, 2013, at 3:05 PM, Joe wrote: > Edgar, > > quoting: > > "He MISTAKES his experience for reality and can't understand that his > experience is PART of reality (which every school boy knows) instead of > reality being part of his experience." > > THAT'S a metaphysical statement, and an establishment of a metaphysics. > > Now, worse things have been done, and said, in history. > > But, establishing a metaphysics is not a part of the program of Zen training, > nor does it come into being at or following Awakening in Zen practice. > > THAT'S the difference you always evidence here between your emphases about > Zen and Bills!: you create and tenaciously cling to a View; Bill! notes > Experience as primary, not a view. I note that Zen notes what Bill! notes. > > --Joe > > > Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > > > Bill, > > > > PS: And btw Buddha lived long before Bill was born. So how could he have > > even existed if Bill's imagination wasn't around to create him since like > > everything else Bill believes Buddha is a product of his imagination? > > > > Not to mention the universe that Bill created back at the big bang in his > > imagination! Hmmm, does Bill believe he is God? I think the DSM has a name > > for that condition.... > > > > Hey, I'm older than Bill. So maybe I didn't really exist before Bill's > > imagination created me when he was born? Strange I don't notice any change > > in my existence when Bill goes to sleep.. > > > > Bill's core belief is just all too too ridiculous! > > > > Is anyone here really dumb enough to believe they are figments of Bill's > > imagination? > > > > Bill can't distinguish between experience and reality. He MISTAKES his > > experience for reality and can't understand that his experience is PART of > > reality (which every school boy knows) instead of reality being part of his > > experience. > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > On Jul 18, 2013, at 11:14 AM, Edgar Owen wrote: > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > > Funny! Einstein clearly states that he agrees with me and Buddha there is > > > a real external world completely independent of Bill's imagination... > > > > > > This quote disagrees with Bill's core belief so why does Bill post it? > > > > > > Edgar > >
