Can anyone help me? I'm new here. I was just wondering who the forum head was? If the answer is no one could I please find out who Merle or Bill is? The one with the 45 yrs of meditation. I won't bother anyone, am just trying to figure this out. Thank you Larry
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Merle Lester <[email protected]>wrote: > ** > > > > > bill...so you are still telling me pain is a delusion?... tell me next > time when you are in deep pain..try a very bad toothache..see it as a > delusion and don't visit the dentist...how long will you last before you > realise it is real and needs attention?...merle > > > Merle, > > As you should very well know by now I don't identify with being a Buddhist. > > I do however practice zen and have for over 45 years; but just because I > practice zen doesn't mean I don't feel pain, or have other delusions. What > it means is that (most of the time) I am not attached to those delusions. > > ...Bill! > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > > > > > >  bill...acceptance is the key...what sort odf a zen buddhist are > you?..merle > >  > > Merle, > > > > Yes! Why me? Why not someone else? Someone I don't like? Someone who > doesn't look like me or is the same color as me or speaks the same language > as I do. Someone ELSE! > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >  bill...not why me...that's plain silly..why not you?...merle > > >  > > > Merle, > > > > > > I have been in pain before. When I am in pain I don't think of pain as > a judgmental delusion, I think of it as pain and judge it to be bad; and > maybe even think "Poor, poor me! Why do I have to suffer all this pain? > What did I do to deserve this? I just want it to go away!". > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  have you been in pain bill..and thought it was judgemental > delusion?...merle > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Merle, > > > > > > > > I don't know how you got from what I said earlier to your post below. > > > > > > > > The experience of feeling/touch is real. That experience is Buddha > Nature. The classification of it as 'pain' is the judgmental delusion. Just > as the experience of sight is real. The classification of it as 'a red > bird' is the delusion. > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ bill...i see...so if one is in pain..this is > an illusion..try telling that to someone bowled over and in agony...merle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > Merle, > > > > > > > > > > I also want to add that experiencing Buddha Nature, such as > through zazen, does not involve a disconnection with the body. It involves > a disconnection with the illusion of self and all dualism. > > > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Merle, > > > > > > > > > > > > No, the body is not a restraint. It is a gateway - at least as > far as zen is concerned. The body, or at least its ability to afford > awareness of reality, is the necessary component of Buddha Nature for not > only humans but all beings as we know them. > > > > > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i know this is a little crazy..however here i > go..ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the human body..can we exist without it?...we do when we are > in cyber space.... although we need the body to get the messages out > there...mm that has me stumped! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would this body less be liken to the meditation > ÃÆ'‚ state that can be achieved once one has surpassed the > breath counting saga? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ i have belief that monks can practise a > form of meditation whereby the can slow the whole body/ mind totally down > to an almost non existent state > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in all the many previous post there has been much focus on > slowing the mind down..however the body..does it have a mind of it's own so > to speak? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after all there are millions of tiny organisms..rummaging in > the body that we do not have any control over what so ever... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (meditate as long and hard as you want, they do their own > thing regardless)... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a whole eco system...one could say a universe lies in the gut > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ my zen question is thus: > ÃÆ'‚ to be totally free ..the human body is it a restraint? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ merle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > Merle > > > > > > > www.wix.com/merlewiitpom/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- *Larry Maher*
