Thank you so much.
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Edgar Owen <[email protected]> wrote: > ** > > > Larry, > > Bill and me, Edgar, are co-moderators of the group... > > Edgar > > > > On Aug 23, 2013, at 12:32 PM, larry maher wrote: > > > > Can anyone help me? I'm new here. I was just wondering who the forum head > was? If the answer is no one could I please find out who Merle or Bill is? > The one with the 45 yrs of meditation. I won't bother anyone, am just > trying to figure this out. > Thank you > Larry > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Merle Lester <[email protected]>wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> >> >> bill...so you are still telling me pain is a delusion?... tell me next >> time when you are in deep pain..try a very bad toothache..see it as a >> delusion and don't visit the dentist...how long will you last before you >> realise it is real and needs attention?...merle >> >> >> Merle, >> >> As you should very well know by now I don't identify with being a >> Buddhist. >> >> I do however practice zen and have for over 45 years; but just because I >> practice zen doesn't mean I don't feel pain, or have other delusions. What >> it means is that (most of the time) I am not attached to those delusions. >> >> ...Bill! >> >> ...Bill! >> >> --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> >  bill...acceptance is the key...what sort odf a zen buddhist are >> you?..merle >> >  >> > Merle, >> > >> > Yes! Why me? Why not someone else? Someone I don't like? Someone who >> doesn't look like me or is the same color as me or speaks the same language >> as I do. Someone ELSE! >> > >> > ...Bill! >> > >> > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >  bill...not why me...that's plain silly..why not you?...merle >> > >  >> > > Merle, >> > > >> > > I have been in pain before. When I am in pain I don't think of pain >> as a judgmental delusion, I think of it as pain and judge it to be bad; and >> maybe even think "Poor, poor me! Why do I have to suffer all this pain? >> What did I do to deserve this? I just want it to go away!". >> > > >> > > ...Bill! >> > > >> > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >  have you been in pain bill..and thought it was judgemental >> delusion?...merle >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >  >> > > > Merle, >> > > > >> > > > I don't know how you got from what I said earlier to your post >> below. >> > > > >> > > > The experience of feeling/touch is real. That experience is Buddha >> Nature. The classification of it as 'pain' is the judgmental delusion. Just >> as the experience of sight is real. The classification of it as 'a red >> bird' is the delusion. >> > > > >> > > > ...Bill! >> > > > >> > > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> >> wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > ÃÆ'‚ bill...i see...so if one is in pain..this is >> an illusion..try telling that to someone bowled over and in agony...merle >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > ÃÆ'‚ >> > > > > Merle, >> > > > > >> > > > > I also want to add that experiencing Buddha Nature, such as >> through zazen, does not involve a disconnection with the body. It involves >> a disconnection with the illusion of self and all dualism. >> > > > > >> > > > > ...Bill! >> > > > > >> > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Merle, >> > > > > > >> > > > > > No, the body is not a restraint. It is a gateway - at least as >> far as zen is concerned. The body, or at least its ability to afford >> awareness of reality, is the necessary component of Buddha Nature for not >> only humans but all beings as we know them. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > ...Bill! >> > > > > > >> > > > > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> >> wrote: >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > i know this is a little crazy..however here i >> go..ÃÆ'‚ >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > the human body..can we exist without it?...we do when we are >> in cyber space.... although we need the body to get the messages out >> there...mm that has me stumped! >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > would this body less be liken to the meditation >> ÃÆ'‚ state that can be achieved once one has surpassed the >> breath counting saga? >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ i have belief that monks can practise a >> form of meditation whereby the can slow the whole body/ mind totally down >> to an almost non existent state >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > in all the many previous post there has been much focus on >> slowing the mind down..however the body..does it have a mind of it's own so >> to speak? >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > after all there are millions of tiny organisms..rummaging in >> the body that we do not have any control over what so ever... >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > (meditate as long and hard as you want, they do their own >> thing regardless)... >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > a whole eco system...one could say a universe lies in the gut >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ my zen question is thus: >> ÃÆ'‚ to be totally free ..the human body is it a restraint? >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ merle >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ >> > > > > > > Merle >> > > > > > > www.wix.com/merlewiitpom/1 >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > *Larry Maher* > > > > -- *Larry Maher*
