---Interesting you don't believe in enlightenment. I understand the 
concept of Zen seperate from it, as a philosophy of living, but then 
why meditate or ponder koans? Isn't the purpose of these to free the 
mind from barriers, which is what I see enlightenment as.

   Now you've whetted my intellectual curiosity. So what is your 
vision of Zen, in what way does it benefit your life? 

Thanks for the feedback Alex, I will always appreciate a different 
viewpoint, it's how we learn, Guy.:)

  In [email protected], Alex Bunard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ultimately, there is no such thing as a state of
> enlightenment. But conventional consensus agrees that
> there is such thing, so ask away:-)
> 
> Alex
> 
> --- ventouxboy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Just curious if anyone here has reached the state of
> > enlightenment. 
> > It would help me tremendously to find someone who I
> > could discuss a 
> > few points on this matter. There is quite a bit of
> > good discussion 
> > here, but there are some specifics I came here for
> > that I havn't 
> > seen any threads on. Guy
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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