>Okay, I shall do some homework and read the Sutra.  It seems that 
if Hui-neng was doing Zazen ferouciously, how does he know that his 
results did not come from Zazen ?  Not sure what else he was doing 
yet.

> No one is disputing that Zazen is extremely positive.
> Hui-neng was himself doing Zazen ferociously. The only
> thing Hui-neng was saying is that it's not the *only*
> way towards liberation, which is what Deshimaru was
> basically saying.
> 
> Alex
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