Oh sorry, I think there's been a bit of a misunderstanding between you and me. You see, I never intended to claim that in order to awaken, one needs to be intelligent (I completely agree with you that it's not an issue). All I was trying to say is that, all the fully realized practitioners appear to be perfectly intelligent. I'm not saying that it is a prerequisite for being fully realized, I'm just observing the facts. Maybe that high level of intelligence in the fully realized practitioners is merely a coincidence, I don't know. But it definitelly is there, however you may want to interpret it.
Alex --- Rev Genryu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For the same reason as all other practitioners know > at some point Alex. Because being awake is not an > intellectual exercise. You appear to be confusing > Prajna and intelligence. As Dogen put it succinctly > in his Fukanzazengi - Universal Recommendation for > Zazen: > > "In surveying the past, we find that transcendence > of both unenlightenment and enlightenment, and dying > while either sitting or standing, have all depended > entirely on the strength (of zazen). > In addition, the bringing about of enlightenment by > the opportunity provided by a finger, a banner, a > needle, or a mallet, and the effecting of > realization with the aid of a hossu, a fist, a > staff, or a shout, cannot be fully understood by > discriminative thinking. Indeed, it cannot be fully > known by the practicing or realizing of supernatural > powers, either. It must be deportment beyond hearing > and seeing--is it not a principle that is prior to > knowledge and perceptions? > > This being the case, intelligence or lack of it does > not matter: between the dull and the sharp-witted > there is no distinction. If you concentrate your > effort single-mindedly, that in itself is > negotiating the Way. Practice-realization is > naturally undefiled. Going forward (in practice) is > a matter of everydayness." > > > Genryu > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Alex Bunard > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 5:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Zen] too much > > > And how would you know? > > --- Rev Genryu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It has nothing to do with intelligence or lack > of > > it. This statement is simply inaccurate. > > > > Genryu > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > No karma was produced during the composition of this letter __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> What would our lives be like without music, dance, and theater? Donate or volunteer in the arts today at Network for Good! http://us.click.yahoo.com/WwRTUD/SOnJAA/i1hLAA/S27xlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Noble Eightfold Path: Right View, Right Intention, Right Speech, Right Action, Right Effort, Right Mindfulness, Right Concentration, Right Livelihood Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ZenForum/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
