How Would You Know?
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oh sorry, I think there's been a bit of a
> misunderstanding between you and me. You see, I
never
> intended to claim that in order to awaken, one needs
> to be intelligent (I completely agree with you that
> it's not an issue). All I was trying to say is that,
> all the fully realized practitioners appear to be
> perfectly intelligent. I'm not saying that it is a
> prerequisite for being fully realized, I'm just
> observing the facts. Maybe that high level of
> intelligence in the fully realized practitioners is
> merely a coincidence, I don't know. But it
definitelly
> is there, however you may want to interpret it.
>
> Alex
>
>
> --- Rev Genryu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > For the same reason as all other practitioners
know
> > at some point Alex. Because being awake is not an
> > intellectual exercise. You appear to be confusing
> > Prajna and intelligence. As Dogen put it
succinctly
> > in his Fukanzazengi - Universal Recommendation for
> > Zazen:
> >
> > "In surveying the past, we find that transcendence
> > of both unenlightenment and enlightenment, and
dying
> > while either sitting or standing, have all
depended
> > entirely on the strength (of zazen).
> > In addition, the bringing about of enlightenment
by
> > the opportunity provided by a finger, a banner, a
> > needle, or a mallet, and the effecting of
> > realization with the aid of a hossu, a fist, a
> > staff, or a shout, cannot be fully understood by
> > discriminative thinking. Indeed, it cannot be
fully
> > known by the practicing or realizing of
supernatural
> > powers, either. It must be deportment beyond
hearing
> > and seeing--is it not a principle that is prior to
> > knowledge and perceptions?
> >
> > This being the case, intelligence or lack of it
does
> > not matter: between the dull and the sharp-witted
> > there is no distinction. If you concentrate your
> > effort single-mindedly, that in itself is
> > negotiating the Way. Practice-realization is
> > naturally undefiled. Going forward (in practice)
is
> > a matter of everydayness."
> >
> >
> > Genryu
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Alex Bunard
> > To: [email protected]
> > Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 5:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Zen] too much
> >
> >
> > And how would you know?
> >
> > --- Rev Genryu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > It has nothing to do with intelligence or lack
> > of
> > > it. This statement is simply inaccurate.
> > >
> > > Genryu
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > removed]
> >
> >
>
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letter
>
>
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