Hi Alex

>I think that realizing that nirvana is indeterminate
>is the best way to allay concerns that is is "absolute
>nullity", as you say, or state of nonexistence. This
>is because "absolute nullity" or state of nonexistence
>are determinations that are easily understandable and
>graspable by everyone. Being indeterminate, nirvana is
>not qualifiable by absolute nothingness, nihilism, or
>any such determinants. Thus, it is free from even a
>trace of nihilism or nullity. As such, it is not
>graspable by anyone, and hence it is a hallmark of
>freedom.

Nirvana is not graspable.  Well said.

> > Nirvana is not actually "indeterminate" in the sense
> > of "undefinable".  It
> > is precisely defined by the Buddha as "the
> > extinction of desire, the
> > extinction of hatred, the extinction of illusion."
> > It's just that this
> > very precise definition does not give any
> > descriptive qualities to it.
>
>Earlier you have quoted the Heart Sutra in its
>entirety. I presume that, by doing that, you have
>tacitly announced that you have read that same sutra.

I posted the Heart Sutra.  I read the Heart Sutra.  I did not say I believe 
it, that I think it is true, or even that I think it makes any sense.

>In it, as you will recall, it is explained that
>desire, hatred and illusion are empty, unreal.

The term "unreal" does not appear anywhere in the Heart Sutra.

>Something unreal, that is, unborn, can never become
>extinct.

The Heart Sutra does say that no Dharmas here born or die.  Again, however, 
it does not use the term "unreal."

>Thus, the Buddha's explicit definition using
>these concepts was provisionary, makeshift, and
>therefore nothing to cling on to.

The Buddha's concepts were not intended to be clung to.  They were intended 
to be understood and used to put an end to suffering.

>You'd be much better off relinquishing your tendencies
>to grasp after imagined substantiality of nirvana, and
>finding final repose in the fact that it is
>indeterminate.

I will find final repose in not grasping.

Ian



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