This is part of the problem with reading books, as opposed to actually studying with real, live teachers. And no, we are not just the readers of their message. Some of us here actually practice with the teachers that write the books, or write ourselves, or teach ourselves. For example, I've been present when Maezumi Roshi, who you referred to, told a student quite categorically that if she wanted to sit on her cushion and do breathing techniques, he'd happilly refer her to a good yoga class, but would not have her in the Zendo, as she was wasting both her time and his. There are various forms of Zazen, but, fundamentally, they are not techniques. One book you might want to read if you're going to base your knowledge on reading, is 'Hardcore Zen' by Brad Warner, in particular the section that deals with why Zazen is not about technique and why it requires a certain posture, and has the form that it does. If you're in California, you can go and meet Brad, and sit with him, which is even better. Don't forget to say Hi for me when you do, and remind him he owes me a drink. ;o)
Genryu ----- Original Message ----- From: spider To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [Zen] Meditation as Taught in "Zen Training" by Katsuki Sekida Actually, if you read the Zen books, there are various ways to do the same thing. And they call it Zazen. If you don't like that, then take it up with the various Zen Masters that have written the books. We are just the readers of their messages. Isn't it interesting that these Zen Masters always manage to write books about Zen that are not bitter or nihilistic? Some might even call them Positive and Affirming. Taizan Maezumi wrote a book called "Appreciate Your Life." Guess what, it is not about degrading other people in order to achieve Satori. Who ever is teaching you guys that the rode to Enlightenment is built on the backs of the people that you talk down to is leading you in the wrong direction. There is a saying that says "The Road to Hell is paved with Good Intentions." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Would you Help a Child in need? It is easier than you think. Click Here to meet a Child you can help. http://us.click.yahoo.com/sTR6_D/I_qJAA/i1hLAA/S27xlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Current Book Discussion: Appreciate Your Life by Taizan Maezumi Roshi Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ZenForum/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
