Hi Tony, all

>Thanks for your reply. I guess I still don't understand how we can
>experience something we have no knowledge of.
>  For example; I know
>4+4=8....but only as a result of haviong beed taught 1+1=2. How can
>I see or experience the Emptiness of a phenomena (lets say a tree)
>without trying to identify that thing I am calling 'tree'? Surely
>only through analysis can I realize that the 'tree' exists only as a
>conception, a mental construct. Then I see the tree as it really is
>AND how it is not. Transpose this methodology onto meditating on the
>Emptiness of the self and this is where we can attain nirvana.
>
>WOW I know that is gonna be really contentious, but I am genuinely
>interested in the zen approach to this.

I really do not think it's a question of having *zero* intellectual 
understanding within Zen.  As regards emptiness, consider the Heart Sutra, 
for example, which is known in pretty much every Zen center, as far as I 
can tell.

Ian




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