>On Friday, December 23 Bill Smart posted: > You can have an attachment to zazen and you can have an attachment to > cannibalism. I think the attachment to zazen is better. Who should judge > these things? Should we look to Dogen or David Loy? No, they cannot > judge > these things for us. We are the only ones who can judge these things. > > Gassho...Bill
>>On Saturday, December 24 Michael Hansen posted: >>Thank you for your reply. The problem I see with this approach is that >>we're simply justifying our own attachments/desires/positionalities when we >>think this way. Why can't zazen be zazen and cannabalism be cannabalism >>without throwing our opinion of either into the mix? >> >>If I wake up in the morning as hungry for zazen as a cannabal is for human >>flesh (to borrow your comparison), aren't I just, ultimately, in an endless >>search to satisfy a "hunger," regardless of what form that takes? I still >>don't see how that makes one "better" than the other. >> >>Thanks, >>Mike Mike, It's difficult to interpret your response in a non-personal text form like this, and likewise difficult to respond effectively. I will use both 'zen talk' and 'sutra language' to try to do so: If I read your response correctly it shows you are expressing an 'attachment to thinking' which is represented in the sutras by 'Form is Emptiness, Emptiness is Form'. That is why you see everything as One (Emptiness), but with no differences, no distinctions (Form=Emptiness/Emptiness=Form). This perspective is the perspective of Nirvana. My response was from a 'Non-attachment Thinking' / 'Form is Form, Emptiness is Emptiness' perspective, so it does not use the same words as yours. All things are One (Emptiness), but still reflect their own qualities (Form). This perspective is the perspective of 'Just Like This' - [a zen term used by Soen Sa Nim]. Neither perspective is 'correct' or 'incorrect'; or 'better' or worse. I'll have to end my post now - out of time. I'm having a friend for dinner... Gassho...Bill! ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/S27xlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Current Book Discussion: Appreciate Your Life by Taizan Maezumi Roshi Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ZenForum/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
