--- In [email protected], "dkotschessa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> This is why I think it's important for people to get out of their 
> houses and go meet communities of practitioners, whether at a 
> monastery or just a local meditation group.  It's easy to play 
> the "I'm more enlightened/less attached than you are" game here, 
> because we can wear whatever mask suits us at the time.  But all 
>bets are off in the meat world.  We all have our attachments like 
it >or not.
> 
> And, BTW, even awakened people are subject to kinds of attachment 
that 
> keep them from deepening their realization.

Alleluiah brother or sister. (Sorry, I don't know your gender.) I 
agree about the real-time (meat world) teacher and sangha, and that 
even "enlightened" folk still have their attachments. For example, 
Chogyam Trugpa drank and smoked himself to an early death.

By the way, are you the one that harped that practicing without 
teacher and/or sangha is wasteful masturbation? On that topic, and 
it's relation to this one, just "masturbating" here is not enough 
either, but like its sexual counterpart it can play an important 
role combined with meat practice. Any number of sexual therapists 
have folks practice sex with a partner by masturbating. And/or 
masturbating in front of a partner to show them how you like it. It 
doesn't replace sex with a partner, it's an adjunct to it. Like this 
forum should be an adjunct to our meat teacher and community. AND 
keep masturbating (practicing zazen) with yourself.






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