Hello, My internet had not been working so i was a bit out of touch...About this "objective co-relative"...I have read Eliot's Sacred Wood essays, and in them he has debated whether good poetry stems from being objective or subjective...his opinion is that objectivity is preferable since it gives a more universal elemant to poetry...but that is not a strict criterion.Plath wrote intensely personal poetry, and it is very good. I think Ronnie meant that subjective or personal poetry is more vague, so consequently, more difficult to grasp...whereas objective poems like Eliots "Love song of J.Prufrock" (one of my favorites) etc have wider interpretations...Am I right Ronnie?...please let me know if i got this wrong. Personally I prefer more objective poems.
Farah --- In [email protected], jane bhandari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If you know, tell me. Obviously it's something I should know, but don't. > > > ronnie banerjee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > correlative or corelative?? First - what is the spelling? Perhaps it is a sister-in-law. Perhaps u may read Eliot's Sacred Wood essays to understand it before u start damning the term . Perhaps u can stick to ur own ideas even as others stick to theirs. Beyond a point i dont think any of us care - Jane, mon cher > Ron > > jane bhandari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thank you, Umashankar, for bringing up this point. > > I had forgotten to ask Ronnie, but what in heaven's name is an objective co-relative? > This bit of goobbledygook never featured in my Eng Lit classes and has evaded me ever since; > it sounds like something Doctor Doolittle might have in his menagerie. A verbal Pushmepullyu? > > To quote Ronnie: Vagueness cannot be justified under the guise of supporting the imagination of that "unknown reader". I find the term 'objective co-relative' totally vague. > We are talking here about what makes a poem work (or not, as the case may be), not splitting the atom. > > Perhaps it IS a sister-in-law...Ronnie, mon cher, do explain. > > Jane > > > umashankar mantravadi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > my my, i must be getting old. it is so long ago that i cannot remember when > i last heard the word 'objective correlative' but surely it doesnot have > anything to do with sisters in law? > > umashankar > > >From: ronnie banerjee > >Reply-To: [email protected] > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: Re: [ZESTPoets] poemette > >Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:39:48 +0100 (BST) > > > > > >I like the assault on the romantics. But no I shall not insult the > >intelligence of most in this group. Eliot was a thorough Classicist with an > >obsession for the "Objective co-relative". I think that is a known fact. > > > >And so I prefer not to presume the imagination of the reader. The Poem is > >about the poet and of his/her ability to reduce imagery to words to the > >extent possible. > > > >Jane - ur influence in our group is profound. But no Philip Larkin (I > >really do love his heresies committed through poetry) can measure upto > >Eliot. Vagueness cannot be justified under the guise of supporting the > >imagination of that "unknown reader". > > > >And surprisingly it was u Jane who did not like the word - "crotch" in an > >earlier poem posted in this mail group. I think u did betray romanticism > >there - please do consider the following from Philip Larkin- > > > >"your mom and dad they fuck u up...." > > > >Now i like that but - do u like it Jane mon cher > >Inspired by this I shall be posting one "pornographic" soon. > > > >regards to all > > > >Ronnie > > > --------------------------------- > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. > > SPONSORED LINKS > Writing book Business writing book Writing poetry Writing and publishing a book Book writing software Writing a book > > --------------------------------- > Enjoy this Diwali with Y! India Click here > > -- > You are encouraged to post poetry, respond critically to the poems circulated and participate in discussions. 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