Hello Jane, If you seem to find gaps in your reading, I wonder what label I should attach to my own sporadic knowledge...
Yes you are right, Eliot's standard is not the only standard; good poetry can be either. About women's poetry being subjective, well that is an interesting observation... I had not paid attention to it before. Now that you mention it, then yes it does seem so. Sylvia Plath, Anne Sexton, Adrianne Rich, Edna St. Vincent Millay, Sarah Teasdale etc all are quite subjective. And male poets often write political or war poems, like Auden, Brodsky, Paz, and sometimes Neruda, which are more objective in nature... And Sacred Wood is a good collection of essays. Eliot's critique of Milton and John Donne is just great; but if you are a fan of Milton you may want to avoid it ;) And I find it very cool that many poets posting here are also painters, like you and Monica...My own knowledge of painting is not much; but I really like Gauguin, Van Gogh and the rest of expressionists and impressionists.What kind of paintings do you create? Farah --- In [email protected], jane bhandari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thanks, Farah, > > It just shows you the gaps in my reading. I really didn't know this. > > Objective or subjective...it rather seems to depend what you are writing about. Good poetry can be either. I think you will find that most women's poetry is subjective and men's is objective...though in these days of metrosexuality the distinctions may be blurred. Curiously, one only hears this term applied to men: can women be metrosexual, or is this still a male bastion? > > And no, Ronnie, I didn't damn the term, I simply asked what it was, not having come across it before. I hadn't read the Sacred Wood essays, you see. Not really required reading for a painter. But now I will...thank you for prodding me. Or should I say goading? > > jane > > Farah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > My internet had not been working so i was a bit out of touch...About > this "objective co-relative"...I have read Eliot's Sacred Wood > essays, and in them he has debated whether good poetry stems from > being objective or subjective...his opinion is that objectivity is > preferable since it gives a more universal elemant to poetry...but > that is not a strict criterion.Plath wrote intensely personal > poetry, and it is very good. I think Ronnie meant that subjective or > personal poetry is more vague, so consequently, more difficult to > grasp...whereas objective poems like Eliots "Love song of > J.Prufrock" (one of my favorites) etc have wider > interpretations...Am I right Ronnie?...please let me know if i got > this wrong. > Personally I prefer more objective poems. > > Farah > > > --- In [email protected], jane bhandari wrote: > > > > If you know, tell me. Obviously it's something I should know, but > don't. > > > > > > ronnie banerjee wrote: > > correlative or corelative?? First - what is the spelling? Perhaps > it is a sister-in-law. Perhaps u may read Eliot's Sacred Wood essays > to understand it before u start damning the term . Perhaps u can > stick to ur own ideas even as others stick to theirs. Beyond a point > i dont think any of us care - Jane, mon cher > > Ron > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/yqIolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> -- You are encouraged to post poetry, respond critically to the poems circulated and participate in discussions. To post, email your message to [email protected] OR post online at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ZESTPoets/post/ Tell friends to subscribe to ZESTPoets by sending a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], OR, if they have a Yahoo! ID, by visiting http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ZESTPoets/join/ ---theZESTcommunity-------------- [1] ZESTCurrent: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ZESTCurrent/ [2] ZESTEconomics: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ZESTEconomics/ [3] ZESTGlobal: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ZESTGlobal/ [4] ZESTMedia: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ZESTMedia/ [5] ZESTPoets: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ZESTPoets/ [6] ZESTCaste: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ZESTCaste/ [7] ZESTAlternative: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ZESTAlternative/ [8] TalkZEST: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TalkZEST/ --- Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ZESTPoets/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
