I was think about Apple's new SSD drive option on laptops... is that safer than Apple's HD or less safe? [maybe Orvar can help me on this]
the price is a bit hefty for me to just order for experiment... Thanks! z at home ----- Original Message ----- From: "Toby Thain" <t...@telegraphics.com.au> To: "JZ" <j...@excelsioritsolutions.com> Cc: "Scott Laird" <sc...@sigkill.org>; "Brandon High" <bh...@freaks.com>; <zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org>; "Peter Korn" <peter.k...@sun.com> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + OpenSolaris for home NAS? > > On 7-Jan-09, at 9:43 PM, JZ wrote: > >> ok, Scott, that sounded sincere. I am not going to do the pic thing on >> you. >> >> But do I have to spell this out to you -- somethings are invented not >> for >> home use? >> >> Cindy, would you want to do ZFS at home, > > Why would you disrespect your personal data? ZFS is perfect for home use, > for reasons that have been discussed on this list and elsewhere. > > Apple also recognises this, which is why ZFS is in OS X 10.5 and will > presumably become the default boot filesystem. > > Sorry to wander a little offtopic, but IMHO - Apple needs to acknowledge, > and tell their customers, that hard drives are unreliable consumables. > > I am desperately looking forward to the day when they recognise the need > to ship all their systems with: > 1) mirrored storage out of the box; > 2) easy user-swappable drives; > 3) foolproof fault notification and rectification. > > There is no reason why an Apple customer should not have this level of > protection for her photo and video library, Great American Novel, or > whatever. Time Machine is a good first step (though it doesn't often work > smoothly for me with a LaCie external FW drive). > > These are the neglected pieces, IMHO, of their touted Digital Lifestyle. > > --Toby > > >> or just having some wine and music? >> >> Can we focus on commercial usage? >> please! >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Scott Laird" <sc...@sigkill.org> >> To: "Brandon High" <bh...@freaks.com> >> Cc: <zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org>; "Peter Korn" <peter.k...@sun.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 9:28 PM >> Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + OpenSolaris for home NAS? >> >> >>> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Brandon High <bh...@freaks.com> wrote: >>>> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 7:45 AM, Joel Buckley <joel.buck...@sun.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> How much is your time worth? >>>> >>>> Quite a bit. >>>> >>>>> Consider the engineering effort going into every Sun Server. >>>>> Any system from Sun is more than sufficient for a home server. >>>>> You want more disks, then buy one with more slots. Done. >>>> >>>> A few years ago, I put together the NAS box currently in use at home >>>> for $300 for 1TB of space. Mind you, I recycled the RAM from another >>>> box and the four 250GB disks were free. I think 250 drives were around >>>> $200 at the time, so let's say the system price was $1200. >>>> >>>> I don't think there's a Sun server that takes 4+ drives anywhere near >>>> $1200. The X4200 uses 2.5" drives, but costs $4255. Actually adding >>>> more drives ups the cost further. That means the afternoon I spent >>>> setting my server up was worth $3000. I should tell my boss that. >>>> >>>> A more reasonable comparison would be the Ultra 24. A system with >>>> 4x250 drives is $1650. I could build a 4 TB system today for *less* >>>> than my 1TB system of 2 years ago, so let's use 3x750 + 1x250 drives. >>>> (That's all the store will let me) and the price jumps to $2641. >>>> >>>> Assume that I buy the cheapest x64 system (the X2100 M2 at $1228) and >>>> add a drive tray because I want 4 drives ... well I can't. The >>>> cheapest drive tray is $7465. >>>> >>>> I have trouble justifying Sun hardware for many business applications >>>> that don't require SPARC, let alone for the home. For custom systems >>>> that most tinkerers would want at home, a shop like Silicon Mechanics >>>> (http://www.siliconmechanics.com/) (or even Dell or HP) is almost >>>> always a better deal on hardware. >>> >>> I agree completely. About a year ago I spent around $800 (w/o drives) >>> on a NAS box for home. I used a 4x PCI-X single-Xeon Supermicro MB, a >>> giant case, and a single 8-port Supermicro SATA card. Then I dropped >>> a pair of 80 GB boot drives and 9x 500 GB drives into it. With raidz2 >>> plus a spare, that gives me around 2.7T of usable space. When I >>> filled that up a few weeks back, I bought 2 more 8-port SATA cards, 2 >>> Supermicro CSE-M35T-1B 5-drive hot-swap bays, and 9 1.5T drives, all >>> for under $2k. That's around $0.25/GB for the expansion and $0.36 >>> overall, including last year's expensive 500G drives. >>> >>> The closest that I can come to this config using current Sun hardware >>> is probably the X4540 w/ 500G drives; that's $35k for 14T of usable >>> disk (5x 8-way raidz2 + 1 spare + 2 boot disks), $2.48/GB. It's much >>> nicer hardware but I don't care. I'd also need an electrician (for 2x >>> 240V circuits), a dedicated server room in my house (for the fan >>> noise), and probably a divorce lawyer :-). >>> >>> Sun's hardware really isn't price-competitive on the low end, >>> especially when commercial support offerings have no value to you. >>> There's nothing really wrong with this, as long as you understand that >>> Sun's really only going to be selling into shops where Sun's support >>> and extra engineering makes financial sense. In Sun's defense, this >>> is kind of an odd system, specially built for unusual requirements. >>> >>> My NAS box works well enough for me. It's probably eaten ~20 hours of >>> my time over the past year, partially because my Solaris is really >>> rusty and partially because pkg has left me with broken, unbootable >>> systems twice :-(. It's hard to see how better hardware would have >>> helped with that, though. >>> >>> >>> Scott >>> _______________________________________________ >>> zfs-discuss mailing list >>> zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org >>> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss >> >> _______________________________________________ >> zfs-discuss mailing list >> zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org >> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss > _______________________________________________ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
