"Then the discussion might be more profitable if we separated our existing
universe
from....well, whatever it is that transcends it."

We must do so to even begin to understand, or for that matter argue over,
such matters.  It is the only thing that we are concerned with.except as
understanding the example of the Father in being exalted from a mortal man.

George

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc A. Schindler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: [ZION] Curiosity About Alma 1:21




George Cobabe wrote:

> Marc - it seems the question is not he definition of natural law, except
as
> it involves who created that law.
>
> The question is:  Did God, i.e. our God, create the natural law for his
> creation or did He just transpose it from the overall eternal concept of
> Natural Law.
>
> Is every universe, form every God - the same or can they vary?
>
> I, of course, do not know the answer but I believe that the law of our
> universe was created by our Father.
>

I agree. In this sense I take the term "natural law" to mean a telestial
law, a
law of "corruptness" as Paul would say.

>
> This does not mean that He did not progress from a universe that had the
> same, nor different, natural laws.
>

And that's the second way to use the term, the way I think John and I are,
as
another way of saying there's no such thing as "magic".

>
> When we are told that God created all in the universe - I believe it.
>

Then the discussion might be more profitable if we separated our existing
universe
from....well, whatever it is that transcends it.

--
Marc A. Schindler
Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland

"Knowledge may give weight, but accomplishments give lustre, and many more
people
see than weigh." - Lord Chesterfield

Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the
author
solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the author's
employer,
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