Thanks for you kind explanation. I may have been premature in my
assessment the new Zopezen.org. I see your point on the various roles
individuals can play in the open-source world. I also believe that by you
embracing plone so deeply gives the project much more weight and crediblity.
>Firstly lets address your subject. ZopeZen.org is slower. Why is that?
>- There is a lot more work being done to render a page in Plone
>- There is less caching being done, I havent optimized it as much as the
>- The BSD memory leak in Python 2.1.3 is not helping
Excuses and issues that need to be addressed no doubt. These are the
things that end up making most everything better in the long run. I also
need to mention that it's not all that slow to me. I'm using your DTML
based cmfZen for one of my sites, instead of plone because of ZPT speed. I
liken the situation back to the early days of Music Television(MTV) When
they were small, new and up and coming. Their motto was simple "I want my
MTV" hence "I want my Zope". You can have all the other channels, ie
CMF,Plone, MMMSkins, Transwarp, but what really drove the success of the
Music video was MTV. I hope the analogy helps those to see that Zope can be
the MTV of the CMS Market. But with some good people switching channels,
will Zope still end up a major player in the market? Unless you read the
story "Swimmy" you may not understand my meaning that in this case the
community might not win by being a bunch of little fish pretending to be a
All in all I trust andy's commitment, and I look forward to the next
release of zopezen.
>So your suggestion is instead of not using Plone and ZPT in the real world
>to see how they perform, I should just concentrate on working on ZPT?
No, it just seems you've even committed your efforts to plone/ZPT. Seems
to me you went from DTML-> Plone/ZPT. You know a while back there was even
talk to move some of the ZPT functionality to DTML. Now that you've
embraced Plone so much that It will be even longer before there are decent
instructions on how to get a binary build of the core Zope on windows ;-)
>The Plone project brings people to Zope, it puts Plone in front of users.
>the end that means improvements all down the line back to Zope.
I beg to differ with you on this. Plone brings people to Plone. And just
as much as the other commercial/open-source projects sought to bring users
to Zope, those projects are long gone. ie world pilot, spoke.net,
metapublisher, etc. They don't even share the same audience it's been said.
I'll say again, I think Zope is playing Swimmy when it should be playing
MTV and setting the bar for other Content systems.
I hope I don't offend anyone. Like I said I agree with Andy. I think we
all play an invaluable role in this. I've lost many a jobs because I've
insisted on using Zope, That's how much I believe in Zope. Call me a fool,
but it is Zope that I believe in, and time spent on anythings else makes me
Whatever you do let's KISS. You know Keep it simple .....! Btw how many
parts are you going to have to publish for us to understand Plone?
I smell commecial interest here. I smell people trying to make that one
killer project hoping to make it big, instead of centering around the one
vehicle that will help make a bunch of projects big someday.
Thanks again for your time.
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