Chris McDonough wrote:
checkins list. Yes, I know. I know. I'm bad. But all of you have
been there before, I'm pretty sure, so I hope you can sympathize.
...and how!
And why the should the core emit a deprecation warning?
Amen.
the goal here? Removing zLOG is (at least by any sane measure) totally
gratuitous in the first place,
Actually, I don't agree, zLOG is a PITA...
So, anyway, I have a really significant number of released products that
make use of zLOG.
Loose 'zLOG', sub in a generic X for some feature I've relied on
(History copy, etc) and I'm totally with you...
I can't keep up with the release cycle, or the
deprecations. These products will likely just be broken for new Zope
releases and will emit warning messages for stable branches for some
period of time. People are gonna be pissed.
Ditto.
The time-based release cycle just amplifies this across many branches
and point releases, so nobody really knows which products work with what
branch/release and under what configuration some feature is supposed to
emit a deprecation warning without a good deal of testing. The *reason*
I'm stuck back on 2.8 and haven't upgraded the products I maintain to
behave nicely on 2.9+ is because I just can't keep the fuck up with
these sorts of changes. It's a self-perpetuating cycle because the only
sane defensive maneuver for me is to stick with 2.8 for existing
customer projects. I say to myself that I'll move them to 2.9 or 2.10,
or 2.11, or whatever happens to be the current release once I get a
chance to breathe, but honestly, this is the *last* thing I'll do; I've
got plenty of other coding to do.
Amen, again...
There *have* to be other people in the same boat as I am. Speak up if
so! Zope 2 is really just not the place to make sweeping innovations.
We are losing working products as a result of these "innovations", and
as a result, probably developers, and as a result of that, end users.
In general we are being *way*, *way*, *way* too aggressive about
deprecations and API changes in Zope 2. Sometimes you just need to live
with your mistakes.
*rounds of cheering*
Chris
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