>From Kevin's blog http://www.blueskyonmars.com/2008/04/22/paver-and-the-building-distribution-deployment-etc-of-python-projects/ (http://tinyurl.com/68sz6u)
"The idea is to use zc.buildout's machinery, not reinvent it." On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Martijn Faassen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi there, > > I just found out about this site: > > http://www.blueskyonmars.com/projects/paver/ > > I know that the author has used buildout in the past. He apparently decided > to roll his own. > > I have no idea what the technical qualities of paver are. To get your > attention, let me spell out a strongly worded and opinionated message > nonetheless: > > zc.buildout is toast. It's on the way out now. Paver is going to compete it > away and buildout is doomed to be a niche project only used by weird zope > people. > > That's strongly worded. I'll admit it's drastically overstated. It's based > on virtually no technical information! But that's exactly how many > programmers will judge the projects: on community aspects, and not primarily > technical. > > Paver has this in its favor: > > * Paver actually has a nice website that speaks to Python programmers of > simplicity. zc.buildout has cheeseshop page with a lot of doctest > documentation people have said was hard to understand. (including the author > of paver!) > > * the author is well connected in the Python community. I'd say TurboGears > and Pylons people are likely to go for Paver. > > * it's *already* showing up on programmer's sites like > programming.reddit.com, where I just found it. Nobody bothers to link to > buildout, as there's no easily digestable message about it available. > > So, I fear very much that this, or some other alternative, will wash away > the undoubtedly more feature-rich and technically robust zc.buildout, if > buildout doesn't present itself better. Without better presentation, fast, > buildout is doomed to be a Zope-specific thing forever. > > You Can Save Buildout! > > So, who is up to make a nice clean looking website and a few tutorials for > buildout? It needs a website. Buildout has been around for a few years > without a proper website already, Paver for 5 minutes and it's got one. I'm > not going to do it, but someone should. > > Just to be sure, I certainly *won't* be doing this. Jim won't either, and I > don't expect it from him. Let him write great code, not make websites. So > don't sit back and hope someone else will do it, as they won't. If nobody > else can bother to step up, Paver probably deserves to win. If you're > intereested, I think we already have a nice buildout for deploying > grok.zope.org that can probably be adapted. The repoze people have a nice > site too, so you could go ask there. > > Alternatively we start to figure out how to convert our buildouts to Paver. > :) > > Regards, > > Martijn > > _______________________________________________ > Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) > _______________________________________________ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )