Hi Tres, You don't seem to get what I kept telling you over and over. I'm therefore going to be more blunt.
I don't want to use zope.app packages in Grok. Grok wants to get rid of zope.app packages. That's the very idea. We pushed this from the start. I spent a huge amount of time to make this possible, just like everyone else. But Grok isn't there yet. Neither are people who have to maintain Zope 3 apps. But I have to use zope.app packages in Grok 1.1, because people need to have a way to move off zope.app in a working system. It will be the equivalent, I believe, of Zope 2.12, though the details are different. We cannot ask users to switch their imports in Grok 1.0, as there, for instance, zope.app.container is the only thing that exists. There is no zope.container yet to switch your imports to. I am not asking you to help me maintain zope.app packages until the end of time. I'm asking you to help me support backwards compatibility code in zope.app for a while longer, until I and others have transitioned away from those packages as well. If that code goes untested, it breaks. It already started breaking. Jan-Wijbrand noticed test failures on zope.app.exception, just checking it out from svn.zope.org. He didn't know a zope.publisher 3.12 was released that created this breakage. He didn't even pin down the ZTK or anything; it was just a checkout using the most recent releases. The person who makes the change in the original package is likely able to identify the cause for such breakage much more easily, and either warn people about what to do, or make a quick fix himself. So I'm using zope.app packages, and changes happen in the zope.* subset, and zope.app packages are now breaking in SVN when buildouts are run. Until recently Zope 2 used zope.app packages too, for backwards compatibility reasons. If the situation had been reversed and Grok had been off zope.app first, I don't think you would have been very happy if suddenly these started breaking as they became unmaintained. Zope 2 is able to move off it more easily for a variety of reasons. Now that you're done, but we aren't yet, I am hearing a loud "screw you, we're done, we don't care about you anymore" from you. That really pisses me off. It's also just plain stupid if you only a little bit enlightened in your self-interest and want the ZTK to succeed and people outside the Zope 2 community to use it. You're making that a lot harder. You're making my lots life harder for short-term selfish reasons. And it makes me really want to say "screw you too". But that would not be very enlightened. Regards, Martijn _______________________________________________ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
