On 2010-01-22, Hermann Himmelbauer <du...@qwer.tk> wrote: > Am Freitag 22 Januar 2010 14:46:16 schrieb Lennart Regebro: >> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 04:55, Alex Clark <acl...@aclark.net> wrote: >> > We certainly >> > have not reached the goal of helping newcomers understand the Zope >> > ecosystem in any other way to date, IMO.) >> >> If this is so, then I'm surprised. It seems perfectly clear to me. >> >> 1. In the beginning there is Python, the language. >> >> 2. Then you get ZCA a component architecture for Python. It has >> nothing to do with Web whatsoever. >> >> 3. Then we have ZTK. A toolkit for building web frameworks. >> >> 4. On top of that we have Zope 2, BlueBream and Grok. >> >> 5. There is also BFG, which doesn't include/build on the ZTK (as the others >> do). >> >> >> It's pretty clear to me. Notice the almost complete lack of naming >> confusion, and the plethora of marketable names and TLA's. The paper >> pushers like these kinds of graphs (although I think we need something >> prettier, I might try do do something this weekend, but I'm no >> designer...) > > No problem that you are no designer, if the concept is clearly communicated, > there will be people around who can prettify it. > >> And when it comes to separating the frameworks it obviously becomes >> more complex. So we need to explain this, what the different framworks >> are good at in a clear way. I see it like this, but I could be wrong: > > The above list (and http://wiki.zope.org/bluebream/relationship-after.png, > which resembles the list) pretty much explains and structures things. > Personally, I think that Plone (and maybe other applications, e.g. Silva?) > are missing in the big picture (not necessary for explaining BlueBream, > though).
+1 > The problem I see is where to go from this graph/list. I personally would > expect to be able to advance from there to project home pages. This is true > for grok/zope2/bluebream (in .zope.org), and also for BFG (bfg.repoze.org). > > What I can't find is some entry page for ZTK (at least I find > http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit). Nice would be something > like "ztk.zope.org" which could be similar to zope2.zope.org. +1 > > When it gets to ZCA, I can't find anything, except for Baiju's book and maybe > somewhere some document about the Zope Component Architecture. If we > introduce the word ZCA, I would recommend to put up a simple page on > e.g. "zca.zope.org", where people can learn what this is, links to a > documentation and maybe has some download/install information and some > tutorial. Right, I see http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zope.component/3.9.1 wrt to ZCA. > > Best Regards, > Hermann > -- Alex Clark · http://aclark.net Practical Plone 3 · http://tinyurl.com/practical-plone _______________________________________________ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )