On 2010-01-22, Hermann Himmelbauer <du...@qwer.tk> wrote:
> Am Freitag 22 Januar 2010 14:46:16 schrieb Lennart Regebro:
>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 04:55, Alex Clark <acl...@aclark.net> wrote:
>> > We certainly
>> > have not reached the goal of helping newcomers understand the Zope
>> > ecosystem in any other way to date, IMO.)
>> If this is so, then I'm surprised. It seems perfectly clear to me.
>> 1. In the beginning there is Python, the language.
>> 2. Then you get ZCA a component architecture for Python. It has
>> nothing to do with Web whatsoever.
>> 3. Then we have ZTK. A toolkit for building web frameworks.
>> 4. On top of that we have Zope 2, BlueBream and Grok.
>> 5. There is also BFG, which doesn't include/build on the ZTK (as the others
>> do).
>> It's pretty clear to me. Notice the almost complete lack of naming
>> confusion, and the plethora of marketable names and TLA's. The paper
>> pushers like these kinds of graphs (although I think we need something
>> prettier, I might try do do something this weekend, but I'm no
>> designer...)
> No problem that you are no designer, if the concept is clearly communicated, 
> there will be people around who can prettify it.
>> And when it comes to separating the frameworks it obviously becomes
>> more complex. So we need to explain this, what the different framworks
>> are good at in a clear way. I see it like this, but I could be wrong:
> The above list (and http://wiki.zope.org/bluebream/relationship-after.png, 
> which resembles the list) pretty much explains and structures things. 
> Personally, I think that Plone (and maybe other applications, e.g. Silva?) 
> are missing in the big picture (not necessary for explaining BlueBream, 
> though).


> The problem I see is where to go from this graph/list. I personally would 
> expect to be able to advance from there to project home pages. This is true 
> for grok/zope2/bluebream (in .zope.org), and also for BFG  (bfg.repoze.org).
> What I can't find is some entry page for ZTK (at least I find 
> http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit). Nice would be something 
> like "ztk.zope.org" which could be similar to zope2.zope.org.


> When it gets to ZCA, I can't find anything, except for Baiju's book and maybe 
> somewhere some document about the Zope Component Architecture. If we 
> introduce the word ZCA, I would recommend to put up a simple page on 
> e.g. "zca.zope.org", where people can learn what this is, links to a 
> documentation and maybe has some download/install information and some 
> tutorial.

Right, I see http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zope.component/3.9.1
wrt to ZCA.

> Best Regards,
> Hermann

Alex Clark · http://aclark.net
Practical Plone 3 · http://tinyurl.com/practical-plone

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