I'm not going to dignify this with a fuller response other than to say that Jean-Paul Smets' entire email is nothing but bullshit written to try and promote an inferior competing product ;-)

Chris

On 18/08/2012 13:31, Jean-Paul Smets wrote:
Hi,

I approve your position Jens.

Moving to git can make sense. Moving to github as primary platform does
not make sense.

Github is a proprietary platform. There is really no justification in
using a proprietary platform for open source projects, especially
considering that many open source alternatives exist and that nothing
prevents from using github as a mirror (for marketing purpose for example).

It is not only depressing to see open source communities not eating
their own dog food but also irresponsible.

It is irresponsible because Cloud / SaaS is far from reliable. Please
read this to get an idea.
(http://iwgcr.org/paris-university-and-telecom-paristech-publish-availability-ranking-of-world-cloud-computing/).
Service outages are not rare.

It is irresponsible because it sends a message to the market that open
source is not competitive (else open source communities would use it for
themselves). Many open source git hosting solutions do exist (incl.
gitorious, gitlab, indefero). Why not use them ?

On a more positive side, Nexedi is currently sponsoring the port of
Gitlab (http://gitlabhq.com/) open source git platform to SlapOS (
http://www.slapos.org/) open source Cloud. This means that there will in
a few days a python based, Zope based, buildout based and fully
resilient platform to host open source projects, with the ability to
manage copies of source code on servers all around the world in a true
community fashion.

And after reading today's message, I got so upset that I decided that
Nexedi will use SlapOS to offer hosting to any open source Zope
community project which believes enough in open source values to use
open source tools rather than proprietary ones. This will include free
support to any open source Zope project willing to manage its own SlapOS
platform rather rely on ours. Let us see if Zope community will be the
first or the last to eat its own dog food ;-).

Regards,

JPS.
Nexedi CEO

PS. I do not mind behind hated for using the word "irresponsible",
whooever took the decision to use github. I do mean it.

Le 18/08/2012 09:49, Jens Vagelpohl a écrit :
Hi Alex,

Please revert this checkin. You can't just take core software pieces from Zope 
Foundation-hosted repositories and move them somewhere else.

Thanks!

jens



On Aug 18, 2012, at 3:09 , J. Alexander Clark<cvs-ad...@zope.org>  wrote:

Log message for revision 127519:
  Moved to github


Changed:
  A   zc.buildout/README_MOVED_TO_GITHUB.txt
  D   zc.buildout/trunk/

-=-
Added: zc.buildout/README_MOVED_TO_GITHUB.txt
===================================================================
--- zc.buildout/README_MOVED_TO_GITHUB.txt                              (rev 0)
+++ zc.buildout/README_MOVED_TO_GITHUB.txt      2012-08-18 01:09:06 UTC (rev 
127519)
@@ -0,0 +1 @@
+https://github.com/buildout/buildout/tree/1.6.x

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