Thanks, Carlos, for expressing certainty that there will be no Zope4 (that was the simple question I had asked! Thanks also for pointing out substancedD.
Will definitely go through it. Just one question: is the "civilized" in Build civilized web applicationsa dig at the caveman? On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 5:30 AM, Carlos de la Guardia < carlos.delaguar...@gmail.com> wrote: > There certainly won't be a Zope 4, but if you liked Zope and prefer more > opinionated ways of doing things, you can take a look at SubstanceD, which > is one of Pyramid's full stack offerings and a tiny bit what Zope 4 could > have been. > > http://substanced.net/ > > Carlos de la Guardia > > > On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Christopher Lozinski < > lozin...@freerecruiting.com> wrote: > >> >> On 9/6/14, 9:27 PM, Andreas Jung wrote: >> >> without citing the source >> >> >> My Apologies. Here it is. >> >> >> http://slacy.com/blog/2011/02/why-im-unhappy-with-the-pyramid-web-framework/ >> >> I quote: >> >> I’m having to read through the Pyramid source code trying to figure out >> what the heck is going on with configuration. >> At it’s heart, the problem with Pyramid is also what makes it great: >> They don’t prescribe any one way to do anything. >> >> On 9/6/14, 9:27 PM, Andreas Jung wrote: >> >> > Worse yet that code has been optimized making it even harder to understand. >> > >> >> So much bullshit, >> >> >> Well for this one, I will just quote from >> "Defending Pyramid's Design" >> presumably written by ChrisM himself. >> >> >> >> http://docs.pylonsproject.org/projects/pyramid/en/1.3-branch/designdefense.html >> >> >> "We optimize Pyramid aggressively. This comes at a cost: the core code >> has sections that could be expressed more readably. As an amelioration, >> we’ve commented these sections liberally." >> >> And that is the author's presumably generous description. >> >> So is ChrisM also a bullshitter? Then I am in good company. >> >> I really do have the highest respect for ChrisM, and Pyramid. And I do >> think it is a valid choice to use a tool that keeps your options open. But >> there is also a valid choice to have a certain way of doing things. There >> is a philosophical difference between Grok and Pyramid, and it is important >> that someone points it out. I think of Grok as more of a purist approach. >> >> I like grok. >> >> Thank you for encouraging a lively discussion. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Zope3-users mailing list >> Zope3-users@zope.org >> https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Zope3-users mailing list > Zope3-users@zope.org > https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users > >
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